Spanish Rapiers, a Bilbo FYC.

Atlantia · 11th November 2008, 06:06 PM

Just a BIG ole BUMP to see if anyone else has had any ideas or any new information has come to light?

:-)

celtan · 13th November 2008, 01:47 AM

There's currently one very similar on EBay, with different grips and shell-guard art. Auction ended sans sale, item 120332175778

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Just a BIG ole BUMP to see if anyone else has had any ideas or any new information has come to light?

:-)

Gonzalo G · 13th November 2008, 06:01 AM

Gene, I apologize for not seeing your question before. I have the bad habit of not subscribing to the threads, as I post just a little, and I thought the thread was inactive. About the references: from the Gladius article, they refer to the style and characteristics of the Sahagun´s rapiers. Please traslate:

pag. 239, last two paragraphs
pag. 240, first two paragraphs (the mention of the sword found un Sueden, is refered to a work from Sahagun)
pag. 241, second paragraph

The marks or stamps form the toledan swordsmiths, on the book, appear in the Plate 2, at the end of the book.
Regards

Gonzalo

Atlantia · 13th November 2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzalo G

Gene, I apologize for not seeing your question before. I have the bad habit of not subscribing to the threads, as I post just a little, and I thought the thread was inactive. About the references: from the Gladius article, they refer to the style and characteristics of the Sahagun´s rapiers. Please traslate:

pag. 239, last two paragraphs
pag. 240, first two paragraphs (the mention of the sword found un Sueden, is refered to a work from Sahagun)
pag. 241, second paragraph

The marks or stamps form the toledan swordsmiths, on the book, appear in the Plate 2, at the end of the book.
Regards

Gonzalo

Don't worry Gonzalo, I'm very greatful for your help, I will study those parts now :-)
Thank you.
Gene

Atlantia · 13th November 2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by celtan

There's currently one very similar on EBay, with different grips and shell-guard art. Auction ended sans sale, item 120332175778

Well, thats rather exciting!!!
Thanks Manuel!!!
I cant resist a comparison shot:

It's like my rapier has a skinny sister!! And she's a babe ;-)

length is about the same, its clearly the same 'family' of sword. Very thin duelling blade?

Comments anyone?

Gonzalo G · 13th November 2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Well, thats rather exciting!!!
Thanks Manuel!!!
I cant resist a comparison shot:
It's like my rapier has a skinny sister!! And she's a babe ;-)

length is about the same, its clearly the same 'family' of sword. Very thin duelling blade?

Comments anyone?

Yes, the similarities are obvious. It looks your sword is a military model, and the other one is a civil model, more rapier-like.
Regards

Gonzalo

celtan · 14th November 2008, 03:34 PM

Interesting, both have one quillon larger than the other.

BTW: The grip on Gonzalo's can be found in the Spanish 1728' Regulation Model.

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Originally Posted by Gonzalo G

Yes, the similarities are obvious. It looks your sword is a military model, and the other one is a civil model, more rapier-like.
Regards

Gonzalo

Atlantia · 14th November 2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by celtan

Interesting, both have one quillon larger than the other.

BTW: The grip on Gonzalo's can be found in the Spanish 1728' Regulation Model.

How strange, the asymetry is reversed on them.
On mine the longer quillion is the one on the knuckle-bow side at 85mm, whilst the other is only 75mm.
On the ebay sword it loks the other way around.

I wonder why they are not the same length?

fearn · 14th November 2008, 09:13 PM

Hi Atlantia,

I hadn't checked this thread until now.

So far as the flowers go, we've got another one of those annoying, eight-petaled sword flowers again on one side, and a three-petaled thingie on the other.

My guess on the three-petaled thingie is that it's a side view of an iris (link to pic of spanish iris, which is appropriately called Iris xiphium).

As for the eight petaled flower, I just posted about a similar figure on that serpentine rapier thingie (link). The short answer is that there aren't any eight-petaled simple flowers. However, there are, potentially, eight petaled composite flowers in the sunflower family (Asteraceae, aka the Compositae). So, it could be a margerite, a daisy, or some such. It's not a true sunflower. OTOH, the Asteraceae is one of the biggest families of flowering plants in the world, so asking, "which one is it?" could take a long time to answer.

It also could be some sort of symbolic flower, as Katana suggested for the undulating rapier.

Hope this helps a little.

My 0.002 centavos,

F

11th November 2008, 06:06 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Just a BIG ole BUMP to see if anyone else has had any ideas or any new information has come to light? :-)

13th November 2008, 06:01 AM	#3
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	Gene, I apologize for not seeing your question before. I have the bad habit of not subscribing to the threads, as I post just a little, and I thought the thread was inactive. About the references: from the Gladius article, they refer to the style and characteristics of the Sahagun´s rapiers. Please traslate: pag. 239, last two paragraphs pag. 240, first two paragraphs (the mention of the sword found un Sueden, is refered to a work from Sahagun) pag. 241, second paragraph The marks or stamps form the toledan swordsmiths, on the book, appear in the Plate 2, at the end of the book. Regards Gonzalo

14th November 2008, 09:13 PM	#9
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Hi Atlantia, I hadn't checked this thread until now. So far as the flowers go, we've got another one of those annoying, eight-petaled sword flowers again on one side, and a three-petaled thingie on the other. My guess on the three-petaled thingie is that it's a side view of an iris (link to pic of spanish iris, which is appropriately called Iris xiphium). As for the eight petaled flower, I just posted about a similar figure on that serpentine rapier thingie (link). The short answer is that there aren't any eight-petaled simple flowers. However, there are, potentially, eight petaled composite flowers in the sunflower family (Asteraceae, aka the Compositae). So, it could be a margerite, a daisy, or some such. It's not a true sunflower. OTOH, the Asteraceae is one of the biggest families of flowering plants in the world, so asking, "which one is it?" could take a long time to answer. It also could be some sort of symbolic flower, as Katana suggested for the undulating rapier. Hope this helps a little. My 0.002 centavos, F