Scandinavian cutlass M 1801 for Chasseurs / Hunters

celtan · 7th October 2008, 11:59 AM

HUGGARE dansk?, m/1801 för jägare

Scandinavian cutlass M 1801 for Chasseurs / Hunters / Cazadores

Curved blade. The similar M 1777 had a straight blade.. This is the first one I have seen with a curved blade.

Swedish, Norwegian, Danish?

FYP

kisak · 7th October 2008, 06:11 PM

HUGGARE dansk?, m/1801 för jägare translates (from Swedish) to CUTLASS danish?, m/1801 for jaegers.

With no m/1801 or m/1777 shown in Berg's Svenska Blankvapen, nor shown in the exhibition at the Army Museum in Stockholm, it'd seem quite unlikely that it's Swedish.

celtan · 7th October 2008, 09:45 PM

The danish have a version called the M1801 Hirschfanger, a deer knife, for jaeger/chasseur troops. But their blade is straight.

celtan · 11th October 2008, 02:46 AM

Hi Kisak,

It was me who added the dansk? qualifier, because I believed it was danish from the very outset. Then again, the danish M 1777/1801s have straight blades.

Have you seen any like this with a short curved briquet blade?

Best

BTW, I may be auctioning some svenska klingan soon. I'm reducing the size of my collection.

M

Quote:

Originally Posted by kisak

HUGGARE dansk?, m/1801 för jägare translates (from Swedish) to CUTLASS danish?, m/1801 for jaegers.

With no m/1801 or m/1777 shown in Berg's Svenska Blankvapen, nor shown in the exhibition at the Army Museum in Stockholm, it'd seem quite unlikely that it's Swedish.

kisak · 11th October 2008, 07:12 AM

Ok, the text read very much like an

The hilt is quite different, but the blade does seem like it might be of the same "family" as the Swedish infantry cutlass m/1748 and it's descendants (various variants of it seems to have been used well into the 19th century, in the case of the infantry I'm under the impression that it was kept around until the m/1848 fascine knife took over).

The picture with the hirschfänger on the left has an m/1748 in the middle. The picture with the broken saber to the left has a cutlass m/1803 for infantry troopers in the middle, and cutlass m/1808 for infantry troopers on the right.

celtan · 11th October 2008, 05:22 PM

Hi Kisak, Your m/1748 and m/1808 look like m/1853s to me. They have the knuckleguard screwed to the pommel.

What's the difference?

I have both the purported dansk m/1801 and a couple svensk m/1856s {HUGGAREsvensk, m/1856 (förändring av huggare m/1748)}, and the blades are of different length and width. Plus the latter has a thin fuller close to the spine.

These is mine also:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kisak

Ok, the text read very much like an

The hilt is quite different, but the blade does seem like it might be of the same "family" as the Swedish infantry cutlass m/1748 and it's descendants (various variants of it seems to have been used well into the 19th century, in the case of the infantry I'm under the impression that it was kept around until the m/1848 fascine knife took over).

The picture with the hirschfänger on the left has an m/1748 in the middle. The picture with the broken saber to the left has a cutlass m/1803 for infantry troopers in the middle, and cutlass m/1808 for infantry troopers on the right.

kisak · 13th October 2008, 03:03 AM

It seems that the m/1748 and m/1808 are basically the same. Berg doens't mention the m/1808 at all, but judging from the sign at the army museum, the Swedish army ceased with the cutlasses in 1806, only to start with them again in 1808. A number of new ones were made for this, and these new ones got labelled as m/1808.

The m/1856 is an m/1748 which has had the blade reshaped a bit with a pointier tip.

celtan · 13th October 2008, 04:14 AM

What about the screwed pommels and knuckleguards? Did the 1748 have them?

I did notice a certain difference between the two I own, the shape of the quillons, the depth and width of the fuller, and the width and length of the blades...

Sorry to bother you so much!

: ).

Best

M

kisak · 14th October 2008, 12:34 AM

The m/1748 had the knuckleguard screwed to the pommel, yes.

And as for all the questions, I'm just glad that I can be of some help.

celtan · 30th October 2008, 11:35 PM

Hi Kisak,
I have a sword identical to the "broken saber" in your picture. What's its ID..?
Best
Manuel

kisak · 31st October 2008, 01:42 PM

The pictures are from the Army Museum in Stockholm, and according to them it's an m/1775-1807 for troopers at Savolax' light infantry regiment. It's a "modification model", where the inner guards on the old m/1775 sabers were ground off to reduce wear&tear on the uniforms. The m/1775 in turn seems to be identical to the m/1770 for Savolax' jaegers on foot.

You can get a better look at an m/1770 or m/1775 here: http://www.auktionsverket.se/dbkatal...007-12-10&anr=

7th October 2008, 11:59 AM	#1
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Scandinavian cutlass M 1801 for Chasseurs / Hunters HUGGARE dansk?, m/1801 för jägare Scandinavian cutlass M 1801 for Chasseurs / Hunters / Cazadores Curved blade. The similar M 1777 had a straight blade.. This is the first one I have seen with a curved blade. Swedish, Norwegian, Danish? FYP

11th October 2008, 07:12 AM	#5
kisak Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Stockholm Posts: 182	Ok, the text read very much like an The hilt is quite different, but the blade does seem like it might be of the same "family" as the Swedish infantry cutlass m/1748 and it's descendants (various variants of it seems to have been used well into the 19th century, in the case of the infantry I'm under the impression that it was kept around until the m/1848 fascine knife took over). The picture with the hirschfänger on the left has an m/1748 in the middle. The picture with the broken saber to the left has a cutlass m/1803 for infantry troopers in the middle, and cutlass m/1808 for infantry troopers on the right. Attached Images

7th October 2008, 06:11 PM	#2
kisak Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Stockholm Posts: 182	HUGGARE dansk?, m/1801 för jägare translates (from Swedish) to CUTLASS danish?, m/1801 for jaegers. With no m/1801 or m/1777 shown in Berg's Svenska Blankvapen, nor shown in the exhibition at the Army Museum in Stockholm, it'd seem quite unlikely that it's Swedish.

7th October 2008, 09:45 PM	#3
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	The danish have a version called the M1801 Hirschfanger, a deer knife, for jaeger/chasseur troops. But their blade is straight.

13th October 2008, 03:03 AM	#7
kisak Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Stockholm Posts: 182	It seems that the m/1748 and m/1808 are basically the same. Berg doens't mention the m/1808 at all, but judging from the sign at the army museum, the Swedish army ceased with the cutlasses in 1806, only to start with them again in 1808. A number of new ones were made for this, and these new ones got labelled as m/1808. The m/1856 is an m/1748 which has had the blade reshaped a bit with a pointier tip.

13th October 2008, 04:14 AM	#8
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	What about the screwed pommels and knuckleguards? Did the 1748 have them? I did notice a certain difference between the two I own, the shape of the quillons, the depth and width of the fuller, and the width and length of the blades... Sorry to bother you so much! : ). Best M

14th October 2008, 12:34 AM	#9
kisak Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Stockholm Posts: 182	The m/1748 had the knuckleguard screwed to the pommel, yes. And as for all the questions, I'm just glad that I can be of some help.

30th October 2008, 11:35 PM	#10
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Hi Kisak, I have a sword identical to the "broken saber" in your picture. What's its ID..? Best Manuel

31st October 2008, 01:42 PM	#11
kisak Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Stockholm Posts: 182	The pictures are from the Army Museum in Stockholm, and according to them it's an m/1775-1807 for troopers at Savolax' light infantry regiment. It's a "modification model", where the inner guards on the old m/1775 sabers were ground off to reduce wear&tear on the uniforms. The m/1775 in turn seems to be identical to the m/1770 for Savolax' jaegers on foot. You can get a better look at an m/1770 or m/1775 here: http://www.auktionsverket.se/dbkatal...007-12-10&anr=