Swedish naval cutlass m/1849

M ELEY · 11th October 2008, 06:38 AM

I'm glad to see some mention of this pattern of sword, since there isn't much info on the type. I have one of these with the GR and crown with small cross at it's top, typical of the British pattern, but the GR are in block letters. The crown on yours, though incomplete, very closely resembles mine. This crown is different from the older Brit patterns and I wonder if it were a later stamping or perhaps an export stamp? I know that Germany was making knock-offs of the pattern into the 1840s-50s, as well as Spain, but was completely unaware of a Swedish pattern. Fascinating, and explains how some of these "figure of eight" swords look 'newer' than others, based on the length of use far beyond the early 19th century.
While discussing this pattern, do you have any information on the lead cutter swords? I could never understand if these were un-issued or de-acquisitioned swords or just tools. Were there any lead cutter patterns found in other countries? Sorry to break in to your post, but I do love this pattern of sword and it's mysteries...

celtan · 11th October 2008, 12:07 PM

Hi Guys,

I understand that the brit. scrap marks were made after the swords were decommissioned, as when the ship they belonged to was broken off and sent to the salvage yards. Export swords shouldn't have had one, nor would they have RN markings.

Best regards

Manuel Luis

kisak · 11th October 2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by M ELEY

I wonder if it were a later stamping or perhaps an export stamp? /.../ based on the length of use far beyond the early 19th century.
While discussing this pattern, do you have any information on the lead cutter swords?

I haven't found any makers mark on mine, so the idea of some sort of "Made in Britain" stamp, or perhaps a special makers mark for export use feels possible to me.

The lead cutters aren't anything I'm familiar with. I've never heard of any such here in Sweden.

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Originally Posted by celtan

I understand that the brit. scrap marks were made after the swords were decommissioned

I was talking about the Swedish navy's scrap mark, sorry of that was a bit unclear.

celtan · 11th October 2008, 04:07 PM

Actually, it was my mistake. Upon reading it again, It's obvious that you were referring to the swedish, and not the british navy.

Best

M

11th October 2008, 06:38 AM	#1
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	I'm glad to see some mention of this pattern of sword, since there isn't much info on the type. I have one of these with the GR and crown with small cross at it's top, typical of the British pattern, but the GR are in block letters. The crown on yours, though incomplete, very closely resembles mine. This crown is different from the older Brit patterns and I wonder if it were a later stamping or perhaps an export stamp? I know that Germany was making knock-offs of the pattern into the 1840s-50s, as well as Spain, but was completely unaware of a Swedish pattern. Fascinating, and explains how some of these "figure of eight" swords look 'newer' than others, based on the length of use far beyond the early 19th century. While discussing this pattern, do you have any information on the lead cutter swords? I could never understand if these were un-issued or de-acquisitioned swords or just tools. Were there any lead cutter patterns found in other countries? Sorry to break in to your post, but I do love this pattern of sword and it's mysteries... Last edited by M ELEY; 11th October 2008 at 06:41 AM. Reason: Spelling!

11th October 2008, 12:07 PM	#2
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Hi Guys, I understand that the brit. scrap marks were made after the swords were decommissioned, as when the ship they belonged to was broken off and sent to the salvage yards. Export swords shouldn't have had one, nor would they have RN markings. Best regards Manuel Luis

11th October 2008, 04:07 PM	#4
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Actually, it was my mistake. Upon reading it again, It's obvious that you were referring to the swedish, and not the british navy. Best M