BEATIFUL KAMPILAN HILT

tom hyle · 9th April 2005, 02:56 PM

Would an anting-anting have any heraldic/identificatory value? Is the pattern in some sense a "flag"? Of course, most "tribal" conflicts occur between groups who can readily identifyl each other by pretty nearly every aspect of their dress, equipage, and personal appearance, due to the intensely regional/ethnic variation one sees in so much of the old handmade stuff......but perhaps to mark a faction; a town? someone's bodyguards? etc? Really just an idea; not anything I've heard or have any specific reason to think is true..........

Spunjer · 9th April 2005, 03:59 PM

interesting point, tom. seems to be the sandatas i saw that has flowing cloth strips are the ones that are actual battle weapons that are battlefield pick ups. so are these strips added just before going to a battle for added good luck?

Rick · 9th April 2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

interesting point, tom. seems to be the sandatas i saw that has flowing cloth strips are the ones that are actual battle weapons that are battlefield pick ups. so are these strips added just before going to a battle for added good luck?

Were they anting - anting I would expect them to have some prayers etc. written on them or some small object sewn inside .

I'd suggest that more likely this is used to firmly bind the sword to the hand in combat .

tom hyle · 9th April 2005, 04:57 PM

Let me be clear that I am in no way suggesting that it is not used as a lanyard (to be broad), but that the pattern may also have some.....the idea of doing it just before battle made me think of this......organizational/unit-designation type meaning? Just guessing around......

nosmo king · 10th April 2005, 01:09 AM

great kampilan,I believe those bells are called tiger bells.Not a very common bell in the PI.

tom hyle · 10th April 2005, 05:38 AM

the faces are beautiful, and reminiscent somehow of MesoAmerican art. They appear to be soldered/brazed up of mould-cast(?) halves....or the halves could easily be pressed from wax in a wooden (for instance; or soapstone) mould, and joined, then coated with slip, then melted out and cast. The Lumad "hawk bells" I've seen were of a similar shape, much smaller, of course, but built up by hand-coiling a tiny wax cord upon its self to build up the wall of the bell; not in 2 halves, and then lost-wax cast.

nosmo king · 10th April 2005, 01:14 PM

Tiger bell's are a study in themselves.Every little design feature has specific meaning.Here's a great link : http://park.org/Guests/Tiger/details.htm

9th April 2005, 02:56 PM	#1
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Would an anting-anting have any heraldic/identificatory value? Is the pattern in some sense a "flag"? Of course, most "tribal" conflicts occur between groups who can readily identifyl each other by pretty nearly every aspect of their dress, equipage, and personal appearance, due to the intensely regional/ethnic variation one sees in so much of the old handmade stuff......but perhaps to mark a faction; a town? someone's bodyguards? etc? Really just an idea; not anything I've heard or have any specific reason to think is true.......... Last edited by tom hyle; 9th April 2005 at 02:56 PM. Reason: "identificatory" is hard to spell if it's even a "word"

9th April 2005, 03:59 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	interesting point, tom. seems to be the sandatas i saw that has flowing cloth strips are the ones that are actual battle weapons that are battlefield pick ups. so are these strips added just before going to a battle for added good luck?

9th April 2005, 04:57 PM	#4
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Let me be clear that I am in no way suggesting that it is not used as a lanyard (to be broad), but that the pattern may also have some.....the idea of doing it just before battle made me think of this......organizational/unit-designation type meaning? Just guessing around......

10th April 2005, 01:09 AM	#5
nosmo king Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 15	great kampilan,I believe those bells are called tiger bells.Not a very common bell in the PI.

10th April 2005, 05:38 AM	#6
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	the faces are beautiful, and reminiscent somehow of MesoAmerican art. They appear to be soldered/brazed up of mould-cast(?) halves....or the halves could easily be pressed from wax in a wooden (for instance; or soapstone) mould, and joined, then coated with slip, then melted out and cast. The Lumad "hawk bells" I've seen were of a similar shape, much smaller, of course, but built up by hand-coiling a tiny wax cord upon its self to build up the wall of the bell; not in 2 halves, and then lost-wax cast.

10th April 2005, 01:14 PM	#7
nosmo king Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 15	Tiger bell's are a study in themselves.Every little design feature has specific meaning.Here's a great link : http://park.org/Guests/Tiger/details.htm