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Caliber is 19 mm, of course, instead of 19 cm.
Also note the roped decoration marking the barrel stages and the long muzzle section (head) left free by the stockmaker. We have noticed that stylistic feature on many hand firearms ranging from ca. 1520 to the early 1540's. |
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In looking at this great example of an early firearm, and determined to learn more about these 'guns' (for me basically starting from scratch
![]() Having difficulty finding definitions of harquebus/ hackbut or hagbut, references I found suggest that the harquebus term is also 'arquebus' which was easier to find. The German hakinbihse = hook gun, referring to the bent shape of the butt, as opposed to the straight stocked guns. One other explanation suggested a metal hook near the muzzle to take aim and secure for recoil. Apparantly improvements by Strozzi c.1530 included standardizing calibers of these in French army. The musket followed about the 1570's. As always I am keyed to markings, and on the barrel notice the roped design at locations around the barrel , and these remind me of barrel rings to secure the barrel, stylistically of course. It seems that in many cases with weapons, the shapes and designs in features sometimes recall vestigially things no longer required or used. I am curious though, why actual bands would not be secured around the barrel to hold it to the stock. I notice the fletching marking, which recalls of course the arrow, and wonder about the suggestion to the esteemed crossbow. The arrow marking became well known with the establishing of ordnance department by Henry VIII in England (these with the arrow head) but I wonder if the idea of the fletching the intent might have been in concept of the shot flying true to its target? The three dots are well known in markings in many instances in sword blades and likely carry the often discussed symbolism. |
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Hi Jim, Actually, the term Hakenbüchse does not derive from a hooked stock (in fact, all stocks before ca. 1520 were more or less quite straight!) but from the iron support hook welded to the underside of the barrels from ca. 1430 onwards. Best, Michael |
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Hi Michael,
Thank you for the clarification on the origin of the term. In the reference I had it gave two options, so its good to know the correct one. Great to have you back!!! ![]() All the best, Jim |
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Jim, I realized that you gave two options. Please forgive me for not discussing them in detail. Thanks to your messsages, my friend. I have only got a tiny lucky chance to grasp a bit of your wide competence comprising arms, literature, philosophy and the real life... My bad: I forgot to mention that the word hook, among others, derives from the German term Haken meaning hook. I feel that this makes clear the direct deduction. All the best to you, my friend!!! Keep trackin' ... Michael |
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From the Maximilianische Zeugbücher, illustrated in watercolors by Jörg Kölderer et.al., Innsbruck, ca., 1505-7.
In former posts I mentioned the colors red and green as being especially characteristic of clothes and arts and crafts of the late Gothic/early Renaisssance periods. Michael |
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