Java keris?????

[David]

I wouldn't change the pendok either. Looks like a nice old one still in pretty good condition.

[asomotif]

Nice powerfull looking blade.

Pendok, seems just fine and perfect fit. would not change that.

Mendak... restore the silver balls ?
You mean by making these tiny small silver balls,and welding them on the mendak. Would love to see you do that.

Yes, would call this a keeper, even if you will get higher ranked more elaborated keris, it is nice to have a simple example like this around.

[A. G. Maisey]

This is a nice old keris with good integrity.

Yes, the mendak does have very slight damage, but it is an old silver mendak, to find an undamaged replacement of the same age and type would be difficult, and it would be expensive.

Change nothing.

Nothing at all.

[Rick]

Congratulations Tim !
Way to go .

[A. G. Maisey]

Henk, recall our discussion of a few days ago re dhapur?

This keris is a good example of the traps in trying to give a dhapur.

This is a pretty simple keris---plain, basic, straightforward and with no complicated features.

You have said its probably jalak ngore. I understand why you've said this, there are a couple of indentations under the buntut urang that suggest the previous existence of greneng. However, if we were to add greneng to this keris, look at what would happen to the pawakan. It would finish up as a completely unbalanced keris, everything would be out of proportion. Thus, the indentations under the buntut urang cannot be regarded as residual greneng, but must be regarded as erosion.

Note where the indentations occur:- in a line with weld joints in the material, the place where erosion will occur first.

If it were residual greneng it could as easily be jalak sumelang gandring, or jalak tilam sari, or maybe pulang geni,and its certain that we can find any number of people to debate all these nominations.

Looking at what I can see in front of me today, my nomination would be tilam upih---and I could probably find those who wanted to debate that.

Dhapur is a trap best avoided.

[drdavid]

Really nice keris Tim. Straightforwards, nice lines and in good condition. Definitely a keeper
David

[Henk]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Henk, recall our discussion of a few days ago re dhapur?

Let's not get too tied up with words.

Yes Alan, I do recall.
I have to admit I even did when I took the book of Tammens, thought to discover the dhapur of Tim's keris and posted my opinion.

I'm afraid that's the problem of us, humans. Desperately wanting to categorize things in a schedule.

But your explanation about the dhapur trap and the risk of the debate is very clear to me. Thank you for your lesson. I will try not to step in this trap again with both feet.
And if I do, just kick me. But please, a little bit careful

[A. G. Maisey]

No Henk, no kicks.

Most of this sort of exchange is only opinion, and often my opinion is no better than anybody else's opinion.

[Henk]

True, Alan. But do know your opinion is highly appreciated.