YOUNGER Keris

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

But...then another question rises in my mind: who is an Empu or ... (better) : when and why a person becames Empu?
From your explanation I suppose only for Kraton determination!
But then....I live in a cowntry notorious for corruption where people that have a lot of money can change the rules or can do all they want.... if, for paradox, keris art would be an italian art i'm shure a lot of Empu's title would be buy.

Dear Marco,
You need not to buy or waste money to get "empu" title. Because "empu" is not a "formal title" as "doctor" or "phd". Not at all. Some one will be called "empu" by other people because he is mastering very well in certain cultural ability -- such as literature, or keris making. Empu was a kind of recognition -- maybe like "maestro" in Italy. Or just "ahli", expert, specialist... Never someone call himself "empu", or mention his own name with predicate "empu"...

Mr Pauzan Puspasukadgo -- for instance. Like any other else -- who people call them empu -- he will not call himself "an empu". As does, "empu" Subandi Supaningrat -- for instance. Although the name "Supaningrat" was given by the late King Paku Buwana XII on 2002 (at that time, the King gave him "rank" of RT or Raden Tumenggung) a titulary or honorary title for his activity in keris making. King Paku Buwana XIII on 2006 then gave higher rank for empu Subandi as Kanjeng Raden Tumenggung (KRT) after 3-4 years in service on keris making.

Mr Pauzan Puspasukadgo even got from lower rank, as "lurah pande keris" (as high as village chief) of keris making on 1979. Of course, during the late King Paku Buwana XII. On 1985, Pauzan then was given higher rank as "Mantri Anon-anon" (as high as 'minister') with title Mas Ngabehi Puspasukadgo. (the King usually gave names according to the activity of someone).

The name "supa" which was given to Subandi, indicates that this man's activity is keris making, like "empu supa" in the past. Also "kadgo" which literally means as "keris" too). On 1998, Pauzan was given name as Kanjeng Raden Tumenggung (KRT), then on 2007 King Paku Buwana XIII (now still reigning) gave him higher rank, KRAT or Kanjeng Raden Aryo Tumenggung Pauzan Puspasukadgo...

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Not quite Empu Pauzan Pusposukadgo, but poleng, none the less.

There's some clever little fellers up in Aeng Tong-Tong, isn't there?

No Alan, not Aeng Tong Tong. This "keris like object" is made by Mr Pauzan Puspasukadgo. Not by someone out there in Aeng Tong Tong. According to him, this betok with "poleng" motif, was his 6th work with "poleng" motif. Up to now, according to him, he has been made six kerises only, with "poleng" motif. (Number 5th, according to Mr Pauzan, is in the United States -- Mr William Koh). The poleng one in Bentara Budaya Jakarta, was made on 1993 by Mr Pauzan, and the William Koh's keris was made earlier on 1992.

I hope I don't make mistake in my written words...

Ganjawulung

[A. G. Maisey]

Pak Ganja, could I most humbly suggest that you return to the post of mine which shows a keris with pamor poleng, and my remark that "there are some clever little fellers in Aeng Tong-Tong."

Is it not logical that this remark applies to the image of the keris that I posted, rather than the image that you posted?

The keris of which I posted an image is an Aeng Tong-Tong production.

The "not quite Pauzan Pusposukadgo" refers to the very obvious fact that the quality of the keris of which I posted an image is far below the quality of the Keris made by Pak Pus, of which you post an image.

Additionally, I consider it inaccurate to refer to the keris made by Pak Pauzan as "a keris-like object".

This is most definitely a keris.

On the other hand, the artistic creations of some current era makers are most definitely not keris, even though they may be very fine works of art.

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Pak Ganja, could I most humbly suggest that you return to the post of mine which shows a keris with pamor poleng, and my remark that "there are some clever little fellers in Aeng Tong-Tong."

Is it not logical that this remark applies to the image of the keris that I posted, rather than the image that you posted?

The keris of which I posted an image is an Aeng Tong-Tong production.

The "not quite Pauzan Pusposukadgo" refers to the very obvious fact that the quality of the keris of which I posted an image is far below the quality of the Keris made by Pak Pus, of which you post an image.

Apologize me, for the misunderstanding, Alan. I misunderstood your remarks with the other post, of course -- a language handicap. So once again, please apologize me for that mistake...

Ganjawulung

[A. G. Maisey]

No apology required Pak Ganja.

It is very easy to misunderstand a casual remark in a language that is not one's own.

[Marcokeris]

Mr. Maisey, dear Ganja
thanks for your explanations: as always clear and update.

[Mick]

This is just another Nem Neman to throw out for you all to look at. It is very difficult to get all of a reflective pattern to come out when you view the piece at only one point. Especially when the pattern is as complicated as this one is. It is basicly a zig zag line running down both halfs of the blade which meets in the middle at a point and forms a diamond shape in between every conjunction. In addition there are short dashes on both sides of the Ada Ada in this diamond shaped area and at the quarter points of the blades width in the area opposite the touched points. In short in the areas that have the space to accept these dashes.

[Rick]

That is very nice !
I think picture 2 shows the chatoyancy best Mick .
Nice pamor control .