what is this?

HUSAR · 28th August 2008, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

bar mace? how long is it?

about 40 cm, just have found out that one symbol is coptic cross and another trinity .... so origin seems to be from Egypt?

Dom · 29th August 2008, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by HUSAR

so origin seems to be from Egypt?

negative, not from Egypt, I'm formal

under reserves,
may be to 've a look to or around Ethiopia

à +

Dom

Yannis · 29th August 2008, 07:45 AM

If it is fit enough to enter in a pistol barrel, it is a ramrod

kronckew · 29th August 2008, 09:08 AM

quite possible, is the swollen end dished? octagonal x-section is a bit unusual. looks like it'd be for a serious calibre.

ramrods were frequently separated from their weapons in the heat of battle. many a trooper has fired his ramrod down range in the heat of an encounter, which is very embarrassing when he has to explain what happened to it (presuming he survived).

one of my favourite episodes of 'Sharp' is when the evil french spy Duclos sends two french cavalrymen, sabres drawn, charging down on Sgt. Harper, telling them he can only have time to shoot one of them, the survivor would get a handsome reward, (muzzle loading rifles of the period took a bit more time reloading than a musket as well) anyhow harper shoots one, pours in some powder & priming, & shoots the ramrod into the 2nd ...

David · 29th August 2008, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HUSAR

about 40 cm, just have found out that one symbol is coptic cross and another trinity .... so origin seems to be from Egypt?

Interesting object. I am not yet convinced that is a coptic cross. The symbols seem to have magickal significance, but you pics don't really show them very well or the script which also appears on the shaft. Can you make clearer photos without all that glare?
I seriously doubt that this was intended as a ramrod. What are the dimensions? Is it solid steel/iron?

Mark · 29th August 2008, 02:56 PM

What does the other end look like? Any signs of wear on it? I would expect scrape marks if it were a ram rod, and perhaps dents or bends if it were a mace. Perhaps it is a baton (swagger stick)?

HUSAR · 29th August 2008, 05:10 PM

Dear all
this is pretty heavy more than 1kg is it solid iron, welded.
i will make some more pictures during weekend... there are markings which look like talismanic symbols all over "head" and arabic inscriptions on the shaft
best
Husar

kronckew · 29th August 2008, 05:49 PM

bit heavy for a ramrod then. possible truncheon/baton/cosh?

Atlantia · 30th August 2008, 03:15 PM

Hi Husar

Is this the one off ebay (UK) a few weeks ago?
If not then there was an identical one. Seller described it as indo-persian if memory serves, but I dont think it is.
There was recently a thread about chinese/asian stick maces. I feel that this might be in that category. I must admit I was tempted to bid on the one on ebay, I think its attractive whatever it is.

Regards
Gene

HUSAR · 15th September 2008, 06:28 PM

some more pictures maybe somebody can read those scripts?

15th September 2008, 06:28 PM	#10
HUSAR Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 80	more pictures some more pictures maybe somebody can read those scripts? Attached Images

29th August 2008, 07:45 AM	#3
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	If it is fit enough to enter in a pistol barrel, it is a ramrod

29th August 2008, 09:08 AM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	quite possible, is the swollen end dished? octagonal x-section is a bit unusual. looks like it'd be for a serious calibre. ramrods were frequently separated from their weapons in the heat of battle. many a trooper has fired his ramrod down range in the heat of an encounter, which is very embarrassing when he has to explain what happened to it (presuming he survived). one of my favourite episodes of 'Sharp' is when the evil french spy Duclos sends two french cavalrymen, sabres drawn, charging down on Sgt. Harper, telling them he can only have time to shoot one of them, the survivor would get a handsome reward, (muzzle loading rifles of the period took a bit more time reloading than a musket as well) anyhow harper shoots one, pours in some powder & priming, & shoots the ramrod into the 2nd ...

29th August 2008, 02:56 PM	#6
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	What does the other end look like? Any signs of wear on it? I would expect scrape marks if it were a ram rod, and perhaps dents or bends if it were a mace. Perhaps it is a baton (swagger stick)?

29th August 2008, 05:10 PM	#7
HUSAR Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 80	Dear all this is pretty heavy more than 1kg is it solid iron, welded. i will make some more pictures during weekend... there are markings which look like talismanic symbols all over "head" and arabic inscriptions on the shaft best Husar

29th August 2008, 05:49 PM	#8
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	bit heavy for a ramrod then. possible truncheon/baton/cosh?

30th August 2008, 03:15 PM	#9
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi Husar Is this the one off ebay (UK) a few weeks ago? If not then there was an identical one. Seller described it as indo-persian if memory serves, but I dont think it is. There was recently a thread about chinese/asian stick maces. I feel that this might be in that category. I must admit I was tempted to bid on the one on ebay, I think its attractive whatever it is. Regards Gene