Keris Pucuk Rebung versus Junjung Drajat

mykeris · 13th August 2008, 12:05 AM

Thanks Asomotif, I think somehow it has similarities but having more fine details compared to the diagram. Its really beautiful.

PenangsangII · 13th August 2008, 03:57 AM

Mykeris, from my limited understanding, the illustration you provided that was referred to as pamor "Pucuk Rebung" is Jawanese equivalent to Raja Abala Raja.

Pak Ganjawulung, the "Ujung Gunung" and "Raja Kam-kam" that you described, were they pamor titipan / rekan or tiban? I thought ujung gunung was pamor tiban as that of satriya pinayungan (judging from physical inspection). Could you or any other keris knowledgebles elaborate further. I'm still confused.

sipakatuo · 13th August 2008, 05:40 AM

IMHO this kind of pamor in Bugis we called 'TIMPA LAJANA' a symbol of 'DATU DATU' / high status.

ganjawulung · 13th August 2008, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PenangsangII

Pak Ganjawulung, the "Ujung Gunung" and "Raja Kam-kam" that you described, were they pamor titipan / rekan or tiban? I thought ujung gunung was pamor tiban as that of satriya pinayungan (judging from physical inspection). Could you or any other keris knowledgebles elaborate further. I'm still confused.

Dear Penangsang,
"Ujung Gunung" pamor (top of the mountain), IMHO is one type of "rekan" (engineered) pamor, but "satria pinayungan" (a draped over knight?), yes, it is the type of "tiban" (unexpected, surprised) kind of pamor.

I try to show you below, two blades -- one straight and the other curved -- with "adeg" pamor but with "junjung drajat" on the tip of the blade. (With close ups), and one blade with "satria pinayungan" in the middle of the blade. People may even call a pamor that crossed the blade as a "kendhit" pamor too. But, kendit with "broken" line -- forming kind of mountain top -- we call it as "satria pinayungan"... I hope you understand what I mean (sorry for my limited ability in explaining you in English...)

GANJAWULUNG

Newsteel · 15th August 2008, 10:27 AM

Maybe this drawings (get from web) might help. Again, this is the javanese pamor terms.

The closest of "Pamor pucuk rebung" would be Ujung Gunung (javanese).
Some pamor have different names but actually refer to the same thing (design/motives). Example : Buntel mayit (javanese), tambangan badung (lombok/bali) and lilit ubi (malay). Batu lapak (javanese) and Tapak gajah (malay). Untu walang (javanese) and gigi yu (malay), etc...

mykeris · 15th August 2008, 11:30 PM

Thanks to all dear forumites posting to this forum. Its really a clear explaination by you all.

Thanks again,
Mykeris.

15th August 2008, 10:27 AM	#5
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	Maybe this drawings (get from web) might help. Again, this is the javanese pamor terms. The closest of "Pamor pucuk rebung" would be Ujung Gunung (javanese). Some pamor have different names but actually refer to the same thing (design/motives). Example : Buntel mayit (javanese), tambangan badung (lombok/bali) and lilit ubi (malay). Batu lapak (javanese) and Tapak gajah (malay). Untu walang (javanese) and gigi yu (malay), etc... Attached Images

15th August 2008, 11:30 PM	#6
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Thanks for all your postings Thanks to all dear forumites posting to this forum. Its really a clear explaination by you all. Thanks again, Mykeris.

13th August 2008, 12:05 AM	#1
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Thanks Asomotif, I think somehow it has similarities but having more fine details compared to the diagram. Its really beautiful.

13th August 2008, 03:57 AM	#2
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Mykeris, from my limited understanding, the illustration you provided that was referred to as pamor "Pucuk Rebung" is Jawanese equivalent to Raja Abala Raja. Pak Ganjawulung, the "Ujung Gunung" and "Raja Kam-kam" that you described, were they pamor titipan / rekan or tiban? I thought ujung gunung was pamor tiban as that of satriya pinayungan (judging from physical inspection). Could you or any other keris knowledgebles elaborate further. I'm still confused.

13th August 2008, 05:40 AM	#3
sipakatuo Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 59	IMHO this kind of pamor in Bugis we called 'TIMPA LAJANA' a symbol of 'DATU DATU' / high status.