Aceh Sikin for coments

kronckew · 1st August 2008, 03:11 PM

here is a photo of a number of sikin (and a rencong) with additional metal fittings, looks like yours may have a bit missing after all. i note some of the hulu on the source pages other sikin do taper a bit abruptly towards the bolster as if fitted badly.

The source link

my modern plain one for comparison

asomotif · 1st August 2008, 04:28 PM

This picture is the old stock (or collection

) from Ben.

Therefore his claim that inlay and collar are/were not combined.

Dajak · 1st August 2008, 07:35 PM

You right Willem I like to see the ones that have the inlay like the first one
and have an golden crown like the rentjong .

It looks like they not exist .

Ben

kai · 3rd August 2008, 11:46 PM

Hello Fernando,

A smooth area near the base of the hilt (close to the blade) might be original in finished condition: At least the typical hilt of pedeueng pasangan does come with such a smooth area (it's grip is thicker though and the widening area between bolster and grip is usually smooth - thus, it may not be comparable). I don't recall a pedeueng panjang grip with such a smooth area - would need to screen my sources...

Also, horn hilts in low humidity are prone to shrinking and you often see a gap between hilt and blade.

However, in your example there is a kind of iron spacer between the bolster with inlay and the horn hilt. It looks pretty unfinished to me - at least, I wouldn't expect such a thing to be originally exposed to view in such a status weapon! OTOH, it looks like a perfect attachment for a crown IMVHO - I'd guess this may have looked like in the 2 left examples on the pic from Ben's collection (i. e. not being of the spiky version). To me, this also seems to be supported by the horn hilt having a much smaller diameter than the bolster -something I wouldn't expect to see in quality workmanship either!

Actually, I have a rencong with inlaid bolster which once had a crown of the spiky variant: This is clearly shown by the marks visible at the base of the horn hilt (as Ben already mentioned). I'll try to post a pic soon.

Regards,
Kai

1st August 2008, 03:11 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,238	here is a photo of a number of sikin (and a rencong) with additional metal fittings, looks like yours may have a bit missing after all. i note some of the hulu on the source pages other sikin do taper a bit abruptly towards the bolster as if fitted badly. The source link my modern plain one for comparison

1st August 2008, 04:28 PM	#2
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	This picture is the old stock (or collection ) from Ben. Therefore his claim that inlay and collar are/were not combined.

1st August 2008, 07:35 PM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	You right Willem I like to see the ones that have the inlay like the first one and have an golden crown like the rentjong . It looks like they not exist . Ben

3rd August 2008, 11:46 PM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Fernando, A smooth area near the base of the hilt (close to the blade) might be original in finished condition: At least the typical hilt of pedeueng pasangan does come with such a smooth area (it's grip is thicker though and the widening area between bolster and grip is usually smooth - thus, it may not be comparable). I don't recall a pedeueng panjang grip with such a smooth area - would need to screen my sources... Also, horn hilts in low humidity are prone to shrinking and you often see a gap between hilt and blade. However, in your example there is a kind of iron spacer between the bolster with inlay and the horn hilt. It looks pretty unfinished to me - at least, I wouldn't expect such a thing to be originally exposed to view in such a status weapon! OTOH, it looks like a perfect attachment for a crown IMVHO - I'd guess this may have looked like in the 2 left examples on the pic from Ben's collection (i. e. not being of the spiky version). To me, this also seems to be supported by the horn hilt having a much smaller diameter than the bolster -something I wouldn't expect to see in quality workmanship either! Actually, I have a rencong with inlaid bolster which once had a crown of the spiky variant: This is clearly shown by the marks visible at the base of the horn hilt (as Ben already mentioned). I'll try to post a pic soon. Regards, Kai