Looking for some Kris info

hockeysew · 28th July 2008, 07:58 PM

I snapped some more pics of these 3 items today and hopefully they came out well and show more detail. I am relying on you: THE EXPERTS for any info you can provide. Sorry if the pics arent the best.

Both the Kereis and Gunong appear to be silver mounted. They are tarnished pretty heavily and aside from wiping with a damp cloth I dont want to go further and commit any dis-service to the items.
I do not know the proper nomenclature so bear with, I am more of a Bowie blade person so that is the venacular I shall use. Here goes.

On the Gunong it appears that on the blade side of the hilt it is copper while the handle side is silver. It also appears that one thin silver ring is missing from the scabbard.

hockeysew · 28th July 2008, 07:59 PM

On the Kereis it appears that both of the handle bolsters are also silver, with some ornate work on them. The file work on the blade is superb. I am not sure if all of the strings tied to the handle are supposed to be there but I will not remove them. On the red cloth tied to the handle there is some staining, which to me looks suspiciously like blood stain.
The wrapping material for the handle appears to have different colors but I cannot be sure.

hockeysew · 28th July 2008, 08:00 PM

On the long dagger it appears that the hilt is silver with brass bolsters. The assumption of bone handle I believe is an accurate one. This dagger is of heavy blade construction, probably 3/16 to 1/4" thick. Makes me wonder if it originally wasn't a spear point? The engraving is rather crude and only on one side of the blade. I find the shaking hands engraved near the hilt to be interesting, although I have no idea of the meaning.

I was assured by my father that none of these blades were ever sanded or steel wooled to clean them. According to him his dad had them shipped back to Colorado from the Phillipines while his dad was stationed over there prior to WW1. They hung in the Hardware store that my grandmother and grandfather ran until his death, at which time my father was given them. My dad put them in a footlocker along with grandfathers military stuff.
They have remained in Colorado all this time so rust etc from humidity is not a problem. They now reside in a climate controlled safe.
Any info you guys (and gals) can provide would be great.
How would one go about getting them appraised/value?

Battara · 29th July 2008, 02:26 AM

On the gunong, those are silver mounts on the scabbard with one thin one missing.

On the bottom dagger, I have never seen one like that before, but the hilt I am now convinced is narra wood which has a red color that darkens over time. It is what I would call a northern okir engraving. The hands look familiar - perhaps a Katipunan sign of brotherhood? (would need to look up my info if I can find it).

Again, I don't think the leather sheath goes with the knife, but is early and may belong to a Pampangan sword.

All well preserved.

Reichsritter · 29th July 2008, 04:06 AM

"This weapon was taken from the hands of one of the most dreaded Momo (or Moro?)
outlaws that ever was captured in Mindinao. His name was Monermdo (might be wrong-hard to read) and he had a large following of Momo (or Moro?)bandits. He with 16 of his band were killed by the 6th (section of note missing) near the Romain (?) River June 4th 1911"

Probably "near Ramain", one of the 15 Sultanates created by the Maranaos in the 18th and 19th century.

hockeysew · 29th July 2008, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reichsritter

"This weapon was taken from the hands of one of the most dreaded Momo (or Moro?)
outlaws that ever was captured in Mindinao. His name was Monermdo (might be wrong-hard to read) and he had a large following of Momo (or Moro?)bandits. He with 16 of his band were killed by the 6th (section of note missing) near the Romain (?) River June 4th 1911"

Probably "near Ramain", one of the 15 Sultanates created by the Maranaos in the 18th and 19th century.

That would make sense.
Thank You.

PenangsangII · 30th July 2008, 04:40 AM

here's my 0.02 cents..... I do not want to say this, but judging from your pictures alone, I dont think this is a "captured" blade. Similarly to the gunong. Yes, they both have some age, but IMHO, they both are of souvenir quality made for the outgoing soldiers. Hope others can prove me wrong....

28th July 2008, 07:58 PM	#1
hockeysew Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 9	More Pictures! I snapped some more pics of these 3 items today and hopefully they came out well and show more detail. I am relying on you: THE EXPERTS for any info you can provide. Sorry if the pics arent the best. Both the Kereis and Gunong appear to be silver mounted. They are tarnished pretty heavily and aside from wiping with a damp cloth I dont want to go further and commit any dis-service to the items. I do not know the proper nomenclature so bear with, I am more of a Bowie blade person so that is the venacular I shall use. Here goes. On the Gunong it appears that on the blade side of the hilt it is copper while the handle side is silver. It also appears that one thin silver ring is missing from the scabbard. Last edited by hockeysew; 28th July 2008 at 08:10 PM.

28th July 2008, 07:59 PM	#2
hockeysew Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 9	Kereis Pics! On the Kereis it appears that both of the handle bolsters are also silver, with some ornate work on them. The file work on the blade is superb. I am not sure if all of the strings tied to the handle are supposed to be there but I will not remove them. On the red cloth tied to the handle there is some staining, which to me looks suspiciously like blood stain. The wrapping material for the handle appears to have different colors but I cannot be sure.

28th July 2008, 08:00 PM	#3
hockeysew Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 9	Dagger Pics On the long dagger it appears that the hilt is silver with brass bolsters. The assumption of bone handle I believe is an accurate one. This dagger is of heavy blade construction, probably 3/16 to 1/4" thick. Makes me wonder if it originally wasn't a spear point? The engraving is rather crude and only on one side of the blade. I find the shaking hands engraved near the hilt to be interesting, although I have no idea of the meaning. I was assured by my father that none of these blades were ever sanded or steel wooled to clean them. According to him his dad had them shipped back to Colorado from the Phillipines while his dad was stationed over there prior to WW1. They hung in the Hardware store that my grandmother and grandfather ran until his death, at which time my father was given them. My dad put them in a footlocker along with grandfathers military stuff. They have remained in Colorado all this time so rust etc from humidity is not a problem. They now reside in a climate controlled safe. Any info you guys (and gals) can provide would be great. How would one go about getting them appraised/value?

29th July 2008, 02:26 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	On the gunong, those are silver mounts on the scabbard with one thin one missing. On the bottom dagger, I have never seen one like that before, but the hilt I am now convinced is narra wood which has a red color that darkens over time. It is what I would call a northern okir engraving. The hands look familiar - perhaps a Katipunan sign of brotherhood? (would need to look up my info if I can find it). Again, I don't think the leather sheath goes with the knife, but is early and may belong to a Pampangan sword. All well preserved.

29th July 2008, 04:06 AM	#5
Reichsritter Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 26	"This weapon was taken from the hands of one of the most dreaded Momo (or Moro?) outlaws that ever was captured in Mindinao. His name was Monermdo (might be wrong-hard to read) and he had a large following of Momo (or Moro?)bandits. He with 16 of his band were killed by the 6th (section of note missing) near the Romain (?) River June 4th 1911" Probably "near Ramain", one of the 15 Sultanates created by the Maranaos in the 18th and 19th century.

30th July 2008, 04:40 AM	#7
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	here's my 0.02 cents..... I do not want to say this, but judging from your pictures alone, I dont think this is a "captured" blade. Similarly to the gunong. Yes, they both have some age, but IMHO, they both are of souvenir quality made for the outgoing soldiers. Hope others can prove me wrong....