keris information asked

[auk]

[auk]

Hello i got some problem by uploading the photo,s
sorry fore that.
I hope this wil work else i wil try to make better photo,s
now by cleaning it i see under the dirt just some little rests of gold on the naga and under it but verry verry little the ball in his mouth is stil ok.
further you can see on the pic but verry little shinty things in the blade.
hope you can help me with information.
Greetings Auk

[Alam Shah]

Welcome auk to the forum,

A nice Javanese keris in Yogyakarta dress.
An elegant blade with what seems to be dapur Naga Siluman, Luk 5.

A close-up picture at the base of the blade would be nice.

[Henk]

Auk,

Be careful with further cleaning the blade.

The little shiny things on the blade is what we call pamor. A keris blade is usually made from iron and nickle contenting iron. The bars of metal are twisted and forged. After finishing the keris it is etched with warangan. Warangan is lemon juice with arsenic. The etching with warangan colors the iron black or grey (depending on the sort of iron that is used) and leaves the nickle untouched. The pattern on the blade that shows up is called pamor.

As far as I can see on your picture you have a pamor wengkon. For the pamor inside the wengkon the picture is not clear enough.
It is a javanese keris from Yogyakarta. Dapur Naga Seluman 5 luk.
The naga head was gilded as you noticed remains of gold on the head of the naga and around it.
The golden ball in the mouth is also seen in the mouth of the Singha or Barong.
The sheath has the wrongko Gayaman and the gandar is covered with a pendok. Is it silver?

[auk]

thanks fore the information till now
the rust i am cleaning is with a verry tiny soft brush it take me hours till now days before the rust is gone .
the penok is not silver my guess it dont belong on it but i dont know fore sure.
it fits perfect in the sheat.
i wil try to make some more photo,s and better from the blade.
And wat about the story i told about the face in the wood.
i know in his how you call it tulband or javanese cap is a stone and he is laughing.
last week i had a dream and remeber the word bandung there was a man that told me to write down some words in indonesian but i cant remember it just bandung.
hope to get more informatin and i wil make better pics.
greetings Auk

[auk]

i cant get the photo more bright i do my best
and also the blade stays this dark
greetings Auk

[Henk]

It looks like pamor Beras Wutah. So with the Wenkon it should be pamor Beras Wutah Wenkon.

About the story of the face. I suppose you mean the carving in the ukiran, the hilt. The hilt is supposed to be an image of the owner. A carver of ukiran and those who studied it can describe the owner when they only see the ukiran.

[auk]

thanks henk fore the info about the face its not carved in the ukiran hilt but in the gayaman.
you cant see it only when the sun shine on it and holding the right angle.
greetings Auk

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by auk

...last week i had a dream and remember the word bandung there was a man that told me to write down some words in indonesian but i cant remember it just bandung.

The only "bandung" I know -- in relation to keris -- is pamor "sumur bandung". Oval rings of pamor (blank or black in the center of the oval rings), from sor-soran (base) to top of the blade. But I don't think that your keris has sumur bandung pamor.

From the form of sogokan, the "garap" (work) of the other details, and also the overall appearance, I assume (speculative, not possible to make sure only based on photos...) that this is not a recent keris.

Good Naga Siluman luk 5 (there are Naga Siluman luk 7, 9 and 11 too with the similar "ricikan" but different numbers of luks). With "kelap lintah" (double curves) ganja, and "lazy" luks -- javanese call this kind of luks, as "luk kemba" for the contrary of "luk rengkol" -- more wavy luks. The keris has good jogjanese hilt too, and also very good old gayaman warangka. But I think, you need to replace the "banyumas" style (West-central Java) pendhok with Jogjanese pendhok. It would look much much more attractive...

[auk]

i wil try wit rice paper
wat is rajah gundala

bandung is a word i had in the dream not to long ago.
even there was a man it looks like he wanted to teach me something .
wat kind of pendok looks more atractive to it.
greetings Auk

[Rick]

Originally Posted by auk

i wil try wit rice paper
wat is rajah gundala

bandung is a word i had in the dream not to long ago.
even there was a man it looks like he wanted to teach me something .
wat kind of pendok looks more atractive to it.
greetings Auk

A unintended figure that is created by the pamor on a keris .

I used the term in referring to your wrongko .

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by auk

wat kind of pendok looks more atractive to it.
greetings Auk

Dear Auk,
These are just examples of three different pendhoks -- (from left to right) Solo bunton type pendhok, Banyumas bunton type pendhok, and Jogja bunton type pendhok. The word "bunton" is originated from Javanese word "buntu" or "clogged" -- for pendhok's term means one piece pendhok. Not two piece pendhok.

You may look at the other pic, a Jogja gayaman keris with Jogjanese pendhok. The specific characteristics of the three styles, you may differ from the form of pendhok's top. Solo or Surakarta -- no curve at the top, but sometimes sliding straight. Banyumas, with curve at the top. Solo type is more wide than Jogja, but thinner. Jogja looks smaller and narrower if you look at it vertically. But it looks quite much thicker than Solonese, if you look it horizontally.

There are differences too, between the tip of pendhok of Solo and Banyumas. Solonese is more rounded than Banyumas. (Banyumas was a vassal state of Mataram in the past, situated in the western part -- near the west coast -- of Central Java. Their styles are more Solo oriented).