ivory balinees

Rick · 20th July 2008, 03:34 AM

I don't think I've ever seen that type of gandar on Bali dress .

BluErf · 20th July 2008, 04:43 AM

Hmmm... what accounts for the interesting caramel-brown colouration on parts of the hilt, I wonder?

brekele · 20th July 2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

Hmmm... what accounts for the interesting caramel-brown colouration on parts of the hilt, I wonder?

Smoky (fumigation) way is normally way that people in Bali/Lombok coloring their bone or ivory hilt to get caramel-brown or even antik dark-brown look.

David · 20th July 2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by brekele

Smoky (fumigation) way is normally way that people in Bali/Lombok coloring their bone or ivory hilt to get caramel-brown or even antik dark-brown look.

Beside the unusual gandar i have never seen a selut (what's the Balinese term?) quite like that on a Bali hilt. I am guessing that this dress is a bit newer than the blade and probably aged a bit with smoke and other methods. And i am not really sure, based on the photos alone, that this material isn't bone instead of ivory.
But new or old, bone or ivory, it is attractive and well executed.

brekele · 20th July 2008, 08:43 PM

From experience, some guys out there in lombok specially, turn the gandar from bugis-sumbawa keris (with javanese keris blade) into balinese keris look only in one day because there are some a month tourist came and interest with balinese keris complete with all those bling bling (ivory,silver,gold etc ).
I interest too sometime so far the keris look nice :-)
So..base on that experience, the gandar on this keris is actually belong keris bugis or keris bugis-sumbawa. I never see OLD balinenese keris sheath (gandar) with three small silver stripe line decoration. That is my opinion about this keris.

Hey, the keris perabot look nice well made.

Battara · 20th July 2008, 10:53 PM

Very true David - the selut is not traditional Balinese.

You also bring up an interesting point about the smoking - if this were truly an old hilt, for example, then the low spots and not just the raised portions would be darkened.

Rick · 21st July 2008, 02:21 AM

The buntut is quite outside my experience with Bali dress .

20th July 2008, 03:34 AM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Unusual .. To Me I don't think I've ever seen that type of gandar on Bali dress .

20th July 2008, 04:43 AM	#2
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Hmmm... what accounts for the interesting caramel-brown colouration on parts of the hilt, I wonder?

20th July 2008, 08:43 PM	#5
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	From experience, some guys out there in lombok specially, turn the gandar from bugis-sumbawa keris (with javanese keris blade) into balinese keris look only in one day because there are some a month tourist came and interest with balinese keris complete with all those bling bling (ivory,silver,gold etc ). I interest too sometime so far the keris look nice :-) So..base on that experience, the gandar on this keris is actually belong keris bugis or keris bugis-sumbawa. I never see OLD balinenese keris sheath (gandar) with three small silver stripe line decoration. That is my opinion about this keris. Hey, the keris perabot look nice well made.

20th July 2008, 10:53 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Very true David - the selut is not traditional Balinese. You also bring up an interesting point about the smoking - if this were truly an old hilt, for example, then the low spots and not just the raised portions would be darkened.

21st July 2008, 02:21 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	The buntut is quite outside my experience with Bali dress .