what is your view on reproductions?

Bill M · 13th July 2008, 02:22 AM

Hey Rick,

We 60+ guys traditionally call each other "young man!" I'll be 65 on Halloween, but I feel like a 35 year old.

As far as reproductions, I bought a pile of Indian weapons supposedly made by descendants of the guys who have been making them a thousand years or so.

Anyone remember "Shah Jahans?" I have their whole inventory. Now, you must realize that these were all made in the previous century.

ariel · 13th July 2008, 03:49 AM

I fully agree with Jim.
For me, the joy of owning an old piece is owning its history: they, after all, were used for the intended "Cold Steel" purposes.
Reproductions are just pieces of metal shaped in the form of an old sword, but they are devoid of context.
They are very useful for training and decoration of dens in the houses sporting mass-produced copies of famous paintings. Ughh.....

Lew · 13th July 2008, 04:01 AM

Ariel

Many of the forum members here study Philippine martial arts so if you are doing a martial arts demo (cutting test) would you use a prized antique or would you be more inclined towards using a properly forged and sharpened new sword? These types of weapons such as the traditional Philippine swords/bolos are perfect for this purpose. Everything has it's place so I see nothing wrong with adding a few newer pieces to ones collection of antiques to mess around with as long as they are made in the same way as the old ones.

Lew

ariel · 13th July 2008, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

Ariel

Many of the forum members here study Philippine martial arts so if you are doing a martial arts demo (cutting test) would you use a prized antique or would you be more inclined towards using a properly forged and sharpened new sword? These types of weapons such as the traditional Philippine swords/bolos are perfect for this purpose. Everything has it's place so I see nothing wrong with adding a few newer pieces to ones collection of antiques to mess around with as long as they are made in the same way as the old ones.

Lew

That's exactly what I meant by "training". Sorry if I did not express myself clearly.

M ELEY · 13th July 2008, 05:36 AM

Absolutely agree- antique pieces for the history. To think who might have handled it and for what use, how it was handed down and where it ended up. Reproductions and newly-made traditional pieces are fine and all, but not my cup of tea. Also, some of these modern-made pieces will invariably end up being buried in the yard, sprayed with acid and dinged up to become "200 year old" antiques in about 30 years.

Dom · 13th July 2008, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

I see nothing wrong with adding a few newer pieces to ones collection of antiques to mess around with as long as they are made in the same way as the old ones.Lew

or even, to complete from a part of a weapon or armor

e.i.
- the sterling silver handle is 40 years old from KSA
- the blade is over than 100 years - Pouluar Afgan XIXth century, from a french scraping store
- the scabbard is less than 3 years from Damascus Syria done by a real swordsmith
so, it's not an antiquity, but .... not a new copy

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=tale

anyway, it's one of my favorite item, with my kulah-khud

à +

Dom

Jim McDougall · 13th July 2008, 04:37 PM

What page are we on? I'm lost

13th July 2008, 02:22 AM	#1
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Hey Rick, We 60+ guys traditionally call each other "young man!" I'll be 65 on Halloween, but I feel like a 35 year old. As far as reproductions, I bought a pile of Indian weapons supposedly made by descendants of the guys who have been making them a thousand years or so. Anyone remember "Shah Jahans?" I have their whole inventory. Now, you must realize that these were all made in the previous century. Attached Images

13th July 2008, 05:36 AM	#5
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,184	Absolutely agree- antique pieces for the history. To think who might have handled it and for what use, how it was handed down and where it ended up. Reproductions and newly-made traditional pieces are fine and all, but not my cup of tea. Also, some of these modern-made pieces will invariably end up being buried in the yard, sprayed with acid and dinged up to become "200 year old" antiques in about 30 years. Last edited by M ELEY; 13th July 2008 at 05:37 AM. Reason: spelling!

13th July 2008, 03:49 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I fully agree with Jim. For me, the joy of owning an old piece is owning its history: they, after all, were used for the intended "Cold Steel" purposes. Reproductions are just pieces of metal shaped in the form of an old sword, but they are devoid of context. They are very useful for training and decoration of dens in the houses sporting mass-produced copies of famous paintings. Ughh.....

13th July 2008, 04:01 AM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Ariel Many of the forum members here study Philippine martial arts so if you are doing a martial arts demo (cutting test) would you use a prized antique or would you be more inclined towards using a properly forged and sharpened new sword? These types of weapons such as the traditional Philippine swords/bolos are perfect for this purpose. Everything has it's place so I see nothing wrong with adding a few newer pieces to ones collection of antiques to mess around with as long as they are made in the same way as the old ones. Lew

13th July 2008, 04:37 PM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,459	What page are we on? I'm lost