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Old 9th July 2008, 05:50 PM   #1
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Rick - you're absolutely right.
Fernando, last thought: I understand and respect your opinion. Please allow me to ask for more: I have very nice and rare sword (18th Cent wootz shamshir. signed, in original silver fittings, double kirk pattern). How much does it cost. i.e. how much should I ask for it? What references do I use? Ebay? Other websites? Auctions? etc... I know that many will say: "shamshir like this will cost $2500 on Ebay", but I also know it'd cost about 10 times more on any decent auction (and the buyer will pay 20% on top of it in commissions). I do not know how much it'd exactly fetch though. So, why one can not ask for offer? Of course I can ask $25000 right away, but if I prefer someone who understands the above math to offer something in the acceptable range, and then work on that "seller/buyer click" which Maurice described so nicely earlier on, and without offending others - should I be able to? and I know the Forum is not an auction, I am using it as an example.
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Old 9th July 2008, 08:50 PM   #2
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Rick - you're absolutely right.
Fernando, last thought: I understand and respect your opinion. Please allow me to ask for more: I have very nice and rare sword (18th Cent wootz shamshir. signed, in original silver fittings, double kirk pattern). How much does it cost. i.e. how much should I ask for it? What references do I use? Ebay? Other websites? Auctions? etc... I know that many will say: "shamshir like this will cost $2500 on Ebay", but I also know it'd cost about 10 times more on any decent auction (and the buyer will pay 20% on top of it in commissions). I do not know how much it'd exactly fetch though. So, why one can not ask for offer? Of course I can ask $25000 right away, but if I prefer someone who understands the above math to offer something in the acceptable range, and then work on that "seller/buyer click" which Maurice described so nicely earlier on, and without offending others - should I be able to? and I know the Forum is not an auction, I am using it as an example.
Try to start by taking into account how much you have paid for it ... an ingredient that amazingly you have failed to introduce in your above example .
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Old 9th July 2008, 09:00 PM   #3
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Try to start by taking into account how much you have paid for it ... an ingredient that amazingly you have failed to introduce in your above example .

Fernando after I did give you an price about the peduang I did get an mail that you are out of it .
Is it that you only want to now prices or want to buy seriuos an outstanding weapon.


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Old 9th July 2008, 09:21 PM   #4
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Fernando after I did give you an price about the peduang I did get an mail that you are out of it .
Is it that you only want to now prices or want to buy seriuos an outstanding weapon.
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Precisely Ben, you are giving me all the reason . If you had posted its price in the first place, i wouldn't have to ask you for it ... as i wouldn't need to get out, because i wouldn't have even got in; that price was far beyond my whilling to pay for it.
Sorry, but that thing of you naming your stuff as outstanding, sounds a bit commercial
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Old 9th July 2008, 09:48 PM   #5
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Outstanding was the right worth show me an second one that ever get to the market with the provonance etc like this one .

This has nothing to do with comercial it looks you don't now the market price
for items like this ,there is nothing wrong with that .

And looking for an bargain also nothing wrong with that .

But don't tell people that they have to price their stuff if they don't want to .

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Old 9th July 2008, 09:52 PM   #6
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Take a deep breath, folks!

I can understand both sides of the argument. Seems like there are pro and cons for both positions and it may be wise just to agree to disagree rather than trying to "win"...

I've found all members - regardless of selling/swapping/buying preferences - nice to work with and made quite a few friends. I do hope these positive experiences will continue! I also offer additional info on pieces in the swap forum (something I'd never do on ebay or other auction sites/houses!).

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Old 9th July 2008, 10:09 PM   #7
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Fernando after I did give you an price about the peduang I did get an mail that you are out of it .
Is it that you only want to now prices or want to buy seriuos an outstanding weapon.


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That is why you should post prices up front. Let say you put a 750Euro price on an item then members would gauge if they can afford it without having to email you for the same price. I really don't understand why you are getting so upset at this reasonable idea. When I go to a gun show dealers have prices listed for a item they want to sell. When I go out to eat the menu has prices for each entree. So why not post prices up front? If you have a set price in mind that you will feel comfortable with just post it. Btw your comment about Fernando was really not called for. If any of us need to know prices I am sure we know enough people in the collecting community to ask for advise.



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Old 9th July 2008, 10:26 PM   #8
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Hi Lew it is difficult eating an peduang .

And the swap forum is no gunshow.


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Old 9th July 2008, 10:46 PM   #9
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[QUOTE=Dajak]Hi Lew it is difficult eating an peduang .

And the swap forum is no gunshow.

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You just don't get it.


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Old 9th July 2008, 11:08 PM   #10
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I'm sure you have a very good idea who in this forum collects your style of weapons and who from your past business dealings with can afford to by them and not waste your time with fruitless emails. So my solution is since you have so many wonderful pieces you should just send out a private listing to those members and not bother doing a general posting. That way no one's feelings will be hurt when they ask or send you an offer they think is reasonable or affordable and you turn them down.

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Old 9th July 2008, 11:06 PM   #11
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Here's how I feel; I apologize if anyone takes offense; it is not meant .

I have a problem with viewing Swap as a 'strictly commercial' zone of these forums .

I don't think forums should be in the business of providing venues for dealers .

Let's please keep it civil Gentlemen .
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