Small Keris

kino · 8th June 2008, 05:10 PM

I found this Keris 4 yrs. ago. I had it the scabbard and hilt repaired and the blade stained. I was told that the blade is forged from a broken blade.
Any other information would be greatly appreciated.

Henk · 8th June 2008, 08:40 PM

Nice keris. Looks very good.

The pamor is pamor tambal. Pamor tambal is usually made up of pieces of another keris, inlaid into an existing one. This other keris will have had a high esoteric value, like for instance an old pusaka, wich is expected to be transferred to the excisting keris. Those who believe this will hold pamor tambal in high regard. Others have a derogatory opinion: "a patched up keris".

So the answer on the remark that you was told that the blade is forged from a broken blade is yes and no.

David · 8th June 2008, 09:41 PM

Kino, i really like this keris. It looks like a the pamor tamal is added over some kind of pamor sada saler.
I think i would fall into the camp that would tend to believe that if you added some of an old and powerful keris into a new one with directed intention then it would make that new keris a more valuable and powerful pusaka.

kino · 9th June 2008, 12:33 AM

Aaahhh, yes of course. Thanks for jogging my brain. That's what I was told a few years ago. I didn't write it down and didn't commit it to memory. Thanks again.

ganjawulung · 9th June 2008, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by David

Kino, i really like this keris. It looks like a the pamor tamal is added over some kind of pamor sada saler.
I think i would fall into the camp that would tend to believe that if you added some of an old and powerful keris into a new one with directed intention then it would make that new keris a more valuable and powerful pusaka.

Two pamors in one blade, javanese call it "pamor dwi warna" (literally means, two colours). David is right, pamor tambal and sada sak ler. (Tambal = patch, and sada sak ler = a piece of palm leaf rib...). Or just call it pamor 'two in one'.

There is also "kendhit mimang" in your ganja. A bold line, in the middle, along the ganja. According to local belief in Java, a keris with "kendhit mimang" in the ganja is good for the owner against theft...

Battara · 9th June 2008, 10:45 PM

Kino I think your keris blade is fascinating.......

kino · 10th June 2008, 01:35 AM

Ganjawulung- Thanks for the additional info.

Battara- I also find the blade fascinating and odd.

PenangsangII · 11th June 2008, 03:33 AM

Pak Alan / Pak Ganja and other keris knowlegables,

This question has more or less related to this topic, so pls bear with me

If an old keris blade is reforged, would the yoni disappeared from the original blade? What if an old blade believed to be imbued by "Sumyang" type isi, would any empu / pande reforge such a blade?

Thx in advance.

ganjawulung · 12th June 2008, 08:50 AM

[QUOTE=PenangsangII]Pak Alan / Pak Ganja and other keris knowlegables,

This question has more or less related to this topic, so pls bear with me

If an old keris blade is reforged, would the yoni disappeared from the original blade? What if an old blade believed to be imbued by "Sumyang" type isi, would any empu / pande reforge such a blade?

Thx in advance.[/QUOTE

Dear Penangsang,

Really I don't have any experience on that. But according to some local belief in Jawa (you may ask Mr Oesman, he is experienced on spiritual matter in keris like this, I think), "yoni in keris will be gone if the keris blade undergoes heat treatment..." (Pls forgive me for my late response)

But according to Bali tradition, according to Ketut Mudra (a traditional keris smith in Klungkung, Bali), "forging place for keris (besalen) is a holy place, where god Brahma usually passes on his spiritual strength to kerises...,"

Ganjawulung

8th June 2008, 05:10 PM	#1
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,002	Small Keris I found this Keris 4 yrs. ago. I had it the scabbard and hilt repaired and the blade stained. I was told that the blade is forged from a broken blade. Any other information would be greatly appreciated. Attached Images

8th June 2008, 08:40 PM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Nice keris. Looks very good. The pamor is pamor tambal. Pamor tambal is usually made up of pieces of another keris, inlaid into an existing one. This other keris will have had a high esoteric value, like for instance an old pusaka, wich is expected to be transferred to the excisting keris. Those who believe this will hold pamor tambal in high regard. Others have a derogatory opinion: "a patched up keris". So the answer on the remark that you was told that the blade is forged from a broken blade is yes and no.

8th June 2008, 09:41 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,115	Kino, i really like this keris. It looks like a the pamor tamal is added over some kind of pamor sada saler. I think i would fall into the camp that would tend to believe that if you added some of an old and powerful keris into a new one with directed intention then it would make that new keris a more valuable and powerful pusaka.

9th June 2008, 12:33 AM	#4
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,002	Aaahhh, yes of course. Thanks for jogging my brain. That's what I was told a few years ago. I didn't write it down and didn't commit it to memory. Thanks again.

9th June 2008, 10:45 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Kino I think your keris blade is fascinating.......

10th June 2008, 01:35 AM	#7
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,002	Ganjawulung- Thanks for the additional info. Battara- I also find the blade fascinating and odd.

11th June 2008, 03:33 AM	#8
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Pak Alan / Pak Ganja and other keris knowlegables, This question has more or less related to this topic, so pls bear with me If an old keris blade is reforged, would the yoni disappeared from the original blade? What if an old blade believed to be imbued by "Sumyang" type isi, would any empu / pande reforge such a blade? Thx in advance.

12th June 2008, 08:50 AM	#9
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	[QUOTE=PenangsangII]Pak Alan / Pak Ganja and other keris knowlegables, This question has more or less related to this topic, so pls bear with me If an old keris blade is reforged, would the yoni disappeared from the original blade? What if an old blade believed to be imbued by "Sumyang" type isi, would any empu / pande reforge such a blade? Thx in advance.[/QUOTE Dear Penangsang, Really I don't have any experience on that. But according to some local belief in Jawa (you may ask Mr Oesman, he is experienced on spiritual matter in keris like this, I think), "yoni in keris will be gone if the keris blade undergoes heat treatment..." (Pls forgive me for my late response) But according to Bali tradition, according to Ketut Mudra (a traditional keris smith in Klungkung, Bali), "forging place for keris (besalen) is a holy place, where god Brahma usually passes on his spiritual strength to kerises...," Ganjawulung