Rapier hilt and gurda blade?

wolviex · 26th March 2005, 09:58 PM

To me it looks like 17th century west European sabre. Many of them were produced and were in use in those days I think. And the hilt is very "natural" for such sabres too, so I wouldn't call it a rapier hilt. I can't tell what are this markings, maybe they are similiar to those used in Caucas as you suggest, I don't know, I haven't got any book on markings by now around me so I hope that other will help you with this. But I saw something similiar on other sabre (not the same thought but close) which was called Venetian. And I don't mean the markings of Genua "sickle", by the way which we could call similiar too

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This one looks anytique and complete. I think it's quite good. But one thing is worrieng me. I just saw on one of the Italian auction house the edged weapons made in 19th century from so called historical period. Some of them looks very antique on photographs. Anyway, how to belive the photographs from now

Ragards!

Rivkin · 26th March 2005, 10:06 PM

It's not a caucasian gurda, it looks to me like a real gurda - Genoese blade.

wolviex · 26th March 2005, 10:18 PM

Maybe these are Genuese markings, but they're different from those Genuese markings seen on Polish sabres in 17th century. Rivikin, are you sure this are from Genua ??. I can't check this markings now, so I want to be sure that you are sure

Rivkin · 27th March 2005, 12:51 AM

Well, I'm far too ignorant to be sure of anything, but they look 100% like a caucasian gurda, and gurda is a copy of a genoese mark... However I heard that there used to be very similar marks on venetian swords.

Yannis · 27th March 2005, 09:34 AM

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26th March 2005, 10:18 PM	#3
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Genua or not genua ?? Maybe these are Genuese markings, but they're different from those Genuese markings seen on Polish sabres in 17th century. Rivikin, are you sure this are from Genua ??. I can't check this markings now, so I want to be sure that you are sure

27th March 2005, 09:34 AM	#5
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26th March 2005, 09:58 PM	#1
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	To me it looks like 17th century west European sabre. Many of them were produced and were in use in those days I think. And the hilt is very "natural" for such sabres too, so I wouldn't call it a rapier hilt. I can't tell what are this markings, maybe they are similiar to those used in Caucas as you suggest, I don't know, I haven't got any book on markings by now around me so I hope that other will help you with this. But I saw something similiar on other sabre (not the same thought but close) which was called Venetian. And I don't mean the markings of Genua "sickle", by the way which we could call similiar too . This one looks anytique and complete. I think it's quite good. But one thing is worrieng me. I just saw on one of the Italian auction house the edged weapons made in 19th century from so called historical period. Some of them looks very antique on photographs. Anyway, how to belive the photographs from now Ragards!

26th March 2005, 10:06 PM	#2
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	It's not a caucasian gurda, it looks to me like a real gurda - Genoese blade.

27th March 2005, 12:51 AM	#4
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Well, I'm far too ignorant to be sure of anything, but they look 100% like a caucasian gurda, and gurda is a copy of a genoese mark... However I heard that there used to be very similar marks on venetian swords.