Strange Sumatran/Moro keris? kris? dagger? with a Dutch blade?

VVV · 12th May 2008, 08:39 AM

A difference between Rick's Sumatran blade and Bill's is the characteristic "C" close to the gandik.

Michael

Dajak · 12th May 2008, 01:41 PM

Hi guys

The problem wth VOC mark blades is that we have to be carefull

because a lot off Indonesian fake it to sell their weapons ,

but also some VOC swords where made in indonesia always difficult to tell

what is real if you don t have the provonance with it .

Ben

Jazz · 12th May 2008, 01:47 PM

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I was never a fan of separating keris sundang from their cousins - seems like this piece makes an especially good case for moving all keris/kris threads to the Keris Warung Kopi...

amen to that

Gavin Nugent · 13th May 2008, 12:32 PM

Hi Bill,

A nice unusual item with honest patina to the VOC blade.

I have been following this thread from the start when you told me of this unusual blade you had acquired. I thought it about time to throw my 2 cents worth into the ring.

Have a look at the 9th and 10th images you originally posted and where the hole is, what I see shows indications of metal being present over the top of the original blade once, the shape left on the blade much the same as one would see on a Pata, Khanda or Feranghi.

As European blades did find their way into these weapons, in my eyes, other than the Dutch trade routes, these blades could well have found their way into current existence through the acquisition of Indian weapons from the Indian mainland as Hindu heritage is found all through out the Indonesian Archipelago.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=indian+sword

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=indian+sword

regards

Gav

13th May 2008, 12:32 PM	#4
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Hi Bill, a few ideas about the mystery Hi Bill, A nice unusual item with honest patina to the VOC blade. I have been following this thread from the start when you told me of this unusual blade you had acquired. I thought it about time to throw my 2 cents worth into the ring. Have a look at the 9th and 10th images you originally posted and where the hole is, what I see shows indications of metal being present over the top of the original blade once, the shape left on the blade much the same as one would see on a Pata, Khanda or Feranghi. As European blades did find their way into these weapons, in my eyes, other than the Dutch trade routes, these blades could well have found their way into current existence through the acquisition of Indian weapons from the Indian mainland as Hindu heritage is found all through out the Indonesian Archipelago. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=indian+sword http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=indian+sword regards Gav Last edited by freebooter; 14th May 2008 at 02:37 AM.

12th May 2008, 08:39 AM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	A difference between Rick's Sumatran blade and Bill's is the characteristic "C" close to the gandik. Michael

12th May 2008, 01:41 PM	#2
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi guys The problem wth VOC mark blades is that we have to be carefull because a lot off Indonesian fake it to sell their weapons , but also some VOC swords where made in indonesia always difficult to tell what is real if you don t have the provonance with it . Ben