Ideas on these 3 pieces?

Rick · 6th May 2008, 08:48 PM

Does the little chopper have a chisel grind edge ?

G. McCormack · 7th May 2008, 05:08 AM

Nope, the little chopper is very light, convex edge, and I suspect it was forged out of a piece of saw blade or other thinnish stock. The edge was filed in, and the flats of the blade weren't even drawfiled, rather they were left covered in firescale, which is visible through the thick rust. There is some distal taper from forging it out, but the spine at the ricasso is only about 2mm wide.

I see chisel grinds on WWII era talibons from Luzon, but does a chisel grind on something from this part of the world signify a cultural group generally?

Royston · 7th May 2008, 11:26 AM

I have no idea on the first one.

Second looks like a sikin blade.

Third blade looks more like the small Balinese sacrificial knifes.

Royston

RhysMichael · 7th May 2008, 02:20 PM

The middle looks indonesian to me also though I would not call it a sikin. If I had to guess I would say Java though it may be Sumatra. So I guess generically I would call it a parang also Look at pg 134 in Von zonneveld, I think the chopper below it may be indonesian also

some similar ones to the middle on Artzi's site
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2858
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2609
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=533

G. McCormack · 7th May 2008, 05:30 PM

Thanks for the comments so far.

I just ordered a copy of the von Zonneveld book...looks like something I should have!

Rick · 7th May 2008, 08:49 PM

Yes indeedy .

Yeah, the little chopper struck me as Indonesian.
The profile of the blade tip reminds me very much of the shape of a Toa though just a little stubbier .

RhysMichael · 7th May 2008, 10:11 PM

A similar Java sword in the National Museum of Ethnology, Leiden

7th May 2008, 11:26 AM	#3
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	Ideas on these 3 pieces? I have no idea on the first one. Second looks like a sikin blade. Third blade looks more like the small Balinese sacrificial knifes. Royston

7th May 2008, 02:20 PM	#4
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	The middle looks indonesian to me also though I would not call it a sikin. If I had to guess I would say Java though it may be Sumatra. So I guess generically I would call it a parang also Look at pg 134 in Von zonneveld, I think the chopper below it may be indonesian also some similar ones to the middle on Artzi's site http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2858 http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2609 http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=533 Last edited by RhysMichael; 7th May 2008 at 02:34 PM.

7th May 2008, 08:49 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Yes indeedy . Yeah, the little chopper struck me as Indonesian. The profile of the blade tip reminds me very much of the shape of a Toa though just a little stubbier . Attached Images

7th May 2008, 10:11 PM	#7
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	A similar Java sword in the National Museum of Ethnology, Leiden Attached Images

6th May 2008, 08:48 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Does the little chopper have a chisel grind edge ?

7th May 2008, 05:08 AM	#2
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	Nope, the little chopper is very light, convex edge, and I suspect it was forged out of a piece of saw blade or other thinnish stock. The edge was filed in, and the flats of the blade weren't even drawfiled, rather they were left covered in firescale, which is visible through the thick rust. There is some distal taper from forging it out, but the spine at the ricasso is only about 2mm wide. I see chisel grinds on WWII era talibons from Luzon, but does a chisel grind on something from this part of the world signify a cultural group generally?

7th May 2008, 05:30 PM	#5
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	Thanks for the comments so far. I just ordered a copy of the von Zonneveld book...looks like something I should have!