Machete from Span-Am war?

OAKSP · 29th April 2008, 10:52 PM

WOW !!!!

Seems to be a customized ancient colonial sword for Spanish American Campaing....

More info at
http://www.catalogacionarmas.com/public/34-Ultramar.pdf

A good piece !!!!!!!!!

ariel · 30th April 2008, 01:37 AM

I cannot help but re-post my earlier ( somewhat embarrassing ) contribution:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4874
I showed another sword with identical markings and a Nimcha marked " Nueva Granada" ( now Colombia).
I guess Spanish South American blades did end up in North Africa.

Jim McDougall · 30th April 2008, 03:06 AM

Actually that was an excellent contribution Ariel! so cant see why you would be embarrassed.........now when I reread my posts analyzing these ....Cuba, Algeria, Philippines, Balkans, Bedouins etc etc....good grief! I brought in everything but Elvis and UFO's!!! now thats embarrassing

Excellent example that Marc posted there, and I thought your sabre was really an attractive item.

OAKSP, excellent item you show here also. It really is amazing how many weapons we have looked at over the years and considered Spanish colonial or North African, and never realized the possibility of Cuba and South America.

All the best,
Jim

Amuk Murugul · 30th April 2008, 07:44 AM

Hullo everybody,

When I saw the hilt, my first impression was:

- European influence: 17thC Clamshell D guard

- Yemeni influence: Brass nails/studs

- Malay influence: Makara pommel(?)

Forgive my ignorance.

Best.

Jim McDougall · 1st May 2008, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

Hullo everybody,

When I saw the hilt, my first impression was:

- European influence: 17thC Clamshell D guard

- Yemeni influence: Brass nails/studs

- Malay influence: Makara pommel(?)

Forgive my ignorance.

Best.

Amuk,
These were all outstanding deductions! and display reasoning as far from ignorance as can be!!! Every one of those observations has distinct merit.
As you can see, these unique weapons have been puzzling many if not most of us for years...I know that I can personally note the ten or more years that I have considered these swords identification inconclusive.

All best regards,
Jim

Gavin Nugent · 17th May 2008, 12:01 PM

There is a similar blade currently on you know where that is Mexican so I too would say Spanish American war, Cuban or Mexican origins but my initial thoughts without studying further were North African....

Gav

Gonzalo G · 23rd July 2008, 08:35 AM

I just found this thread. This is a variation of the spanish colonial machete used by the Ejército de Ultramar in Puerto Rico and Cuba, a model known as Guanabacoa. It seems a modified version, or a custom version. Please see this document:

http://www.catalogacionarmas.com/public/34-Ultramar.pdf

My best regards

Gonzalo

29th April 2008, 10:52 PM	#1
OAKSP Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SPAIN Posts: 21	SPANISH AMERICAN WOW !!!! Seems to be a customized ancient colonial sword for Spanish American Campaing.... More info at http://www.catalogacionarmas.com/public/34-Ultramar.pdf A good piece !!!!!!!!!

30th April 2008, 07:44 AM	#4
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 472	First Impression of a Novice Hullo everybody, When I saw the hilt, my first impression was: - European influence: 17thC Clamshell D guard - Yemeni influence: Brass nails/studs - Malay influence: Makara pommel(?) Forgive my ignorance. Best.

17th May 2008, 12:01 PM	#6
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Similar blade There is a similar blade currently on you know where that is Mexican so I too would say Spanish American war, Cuban or Mexican origins but my initial thoughts without studying further were North African.... Gav

30th April 2008, 01:37 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I cannot help but re-post my earlier ( somewhat embarrassing ) contribution: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4874 I showed another sword with identical markings and a Nimcha marked " Nueva Granada" ( now Colombia). I guess Spanish South American blades did end up in North Africa.

30th April 2008, 03:06 AM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,190	Actually that was an excellent contribution Ariel! so cant see why you would be embarrassed.........now when I reread my posts analyzing these ....Cuba, Algeria, Philippines, Balkans, Bedouins etc etc....good grief! I brought in everything but Elvis and UFO's!!! now thats embarrassing Excellent example that Marc posted there, and I thought your sabre was really an attractive item. OAKSP, excellent item you show here also. It really is amazing how many weapons we have looked at over the years and considered Spanish colonial or North African, and never realized the possibility of Cuba and South America. All the best, Jim

23rd July 2008, 08:35 AM	#7
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	I just found this thread. This is a variation of the spanish colonial machete used by the Ejército de Ultramar in Puerto Rico and Cuba, a model known as Guanabacoa. It seems a modified version, or a custom version. Please see this document: http://www.catalogacionarmas.com/public/34-Ultramar.pdf My best regards Gonzalo