Genoui???

Jim McDougall · 26th March 2008, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

My understanding is that the term applies not exclusively to the daggers utilizing European blades but also ( broader!) to daggers with straight, rather than curved blades.
Am I wrong?

No, I dont think you're wrong Ariel, and what you're saying sounds very familiar, and its driving me nuts trying to remember where I've seen that term. I think it might have been in Buttin's article on the s'boula but I cant locate my copy yet. If my memory serves, the term does apply with reference to the dagger blades, but more to the form than to the blade actually being European.

Best regards,
Jim

spiral · 26th March 2008, 11:31 PM

poor quality Wire filigree & stone work of dubious "stone" I usauly think of 1950s or more recent when it occors in Nepali or Indian work,{or even Yemini for that matter after most of the Jewish silversmiths left.] is it different in North Africa?

Spiral

Yannis · 26th March 2008, 11:41 PM

IMHO only the blade is old. The rest is a late 20th century bazaar fitting

spiral · 26th March 2008, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yannis

IMHO only the blade is old. The rest is a late 20th century bazaar fitting

Yes I think your probably right Yannis.

Spiral

BerberDagger · 26th March 2008, 11:51 PM

Hi,
I see much of tis dagger, and i ve some on my collection...it is Moroccan ...probably early XX century with more old blade (probably from european sword or bayonet)

Jim McDougall · 27th March 2008, 01:34 AM

I'm with Yannis, the blade does seem old, and I'm intrigued by that openwork. I'm still puzzled by the term 'genouii'.......can anybody offer any insight to where this term appears in reference to these daggers? I thought perhaps Buttin's work, but no luck there. Then thought possibly 'Alain Jacob's book but don't have access to a copy.

The modern attribution to the mounts seems right too.

Dom · 27th March 2008, 01:51 AM

on the handle I found a date 1349 --> 1930

but, in my point of view it's the only thing arabic on that assembly
since I'm turning in Maghreb it's the first time I saw a similar dagger

à +

Dom

Marc · 27th March 2008, 11:11 AM

The blade is probably from an "albacete" dagger, that often featured that kind of decoration and these cutouts, normally filled with brass. There's been discussion about these daggers before, look for example HERE, or HERE. These were profusely made through the whole of the 19th c. and beggining of the 20th, so the date in the handle is perfectly coherent.

26th March 2008, 11:31 PM	#2
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	poor quality Wire filigree & stone work of dubious "stone" I usauly think of 1950s or more recent when it occors in Nepali or Indian work,{or even Yemini for that matter after most of the Jewish silversmiths left.] is it different in North Africa? Spiral

26th March 2008, 11:41 PM	#3
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	IMHO only the blade is old. The rest is a late 20th century bazaar fitting

26th March 2008, 11:51 PM	#5
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	Hi, I see much of tis dagger, and i ve some on my collection...it is Moroccan ...probably early XX century with more old blade (probably from european sword or bayonet)

27th March 2008, 01:34 AM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,693	I'm with Yannis, the blade does seem old, and I'm intrigued by that openwork. I'm still puzzled by the term 'genouii'.......can anybody offer any insight to where this term appears in reference to these daggers? I thought perhaps Buttin's work, but no luck there. Then thought possibly 'Alain Jacob's book but don't have access to a copy. The modern attribution to the mounts seems right too.

27th March 2008, 01:51 AM	#7
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	on the handle I found a date 1349 --> 1930 but, in my point of view it's the only thing arabic on that assembly since I'm turning in Maghreb it's the first time I saw a similar dagger à + Dom

27th March 2008, 11:11 AM	#8
Marc Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Madrid / Barcelona Posts: 256	The blade is probably from an "albacete" dagger, that often featured that kind of decoration and these cutouts, normally filled with brass. There's been discussion about these daggers before, look for example HERE, or HERE. These were profusely made through the whole of the 19th c. and beggining of the 20th, so the date in the handle is perfectly coherent.