My first yataghan

Emanuel · 1st March 2008, 12:52 AM

Thanks for the info Kai! And thanks for showing your yat Norman. The tarnish was actually bluish red. I've used a mild brass polishing creme and everything turned white. It appears that even the yellow was in fact tarnish and the wire is in fact white and therefore silver. The inscription is much clearer now and on the far right I can read 1219 = 1805 in the Gregorian calendar. I can't make out the rest, besides an 861 to the left of the date.

I've put up a better pic of the inlay if anyone can help with the translation I would be grateful.

Regards,
Emanuel

Zifir · 3rd March 2008, 12:10 PM

I think the date is 1216 not 1219.

The inscription is:

amel-i Ahmed sahib Mustafa

Emanuel · 4th March 2008, 12:28 AM

Hi Teodor, I hadn't seen your post for some reason. Both you and Zifir see 1216, so are we looking in the same place? The last four characters on the bottom right? I read the last one as a 9, 6 is like our 7 no?
Anyway, I'll defer to you both.

Thanks Zifir for the inscription. Manouchehr read the same on SFI and translated as "the work of Ahmed, the owner Mustafa".

As for the yataghan being Balkan, I had a suspicion this might be so. For the longest time I associated this type of ears to specifically Turkish, then Balkan came up and I was confused

I will clean the blade thoroughly and etch it to see what's hidden. I'll update pics when done.

Thanks to you both, and best regards,
Emanuel

- attached is a pic from www.omniglot.com and is what I based my reading on, is it correct?

Emanuel · 12th March 2008, 11:56 PM

After more cleaning and polishing, it turns out the fittings are all silver. It's too bad the bolster was broken like that.

TVV · 13th March 2008, 07:03 AM

Manolo,

I think I and Zifir might have been looking at the date before the clean picture. After you posted the better picture, I am more inclined to think it is a 9 rather than a 6. Which unless tha date helps you attribute the piece to a historical figure or an event, is not so important, and it is in all cases a nice early 19th century piece.

Regards,

Teodor

Emanuel · 14th March 2008, 02:39 AM

Hi Teodor,

The precise date is indeed not that important. I was just getting confused about Arabic numerals and wanted to be sure I was using the correct reference.

All the best,
Emanuel

1st March 2008, 12:52 AM	#1
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Thanks for the info Kai! And thanks for showing your yat Norman. The tarnish was actually bluish red. I've used a mild brass polishing creme and everything turned white. It appears that even the yellow was in fact tarnish and the wire is in fact white and therefore silver. The inscription is much clearer now and on the far right I can read 1219 = 1805 in the Gregorian calendar. I can't make out the rest, besides an 861 to the left of the date. I've put up a better pic of the inlay if anyone can help with the translation I would be grateful. Regards, Emanuel Attached Images

4th March 2008, 12:28 AM	#3
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Hi Teodor, I hadn't seen your post for some reason. Both you and Zifir see 1216, so are we looking in the same place? The last four characters on the bottom right? I read the last one as a 9, 6 is like our 7 no? Anyway, I'll defer to you both. Thanks Zifir for the inscription. Manouchehr read the same on SFI and translated as "the work of Ahmed, the owner Mustafa". As for the yataghan being Balkan, I had a suspicion this might be so. For the longest time I associated this type of ears to specifically Turkish, then Balkan came up and I was confused I will clean the blade thoroughly and etch it to see what's hidden. I'll update pics when done. Thanks to you both, and best regards, Emanuel - attached is a pic from www.omniglot.com and is what I based my reading on, is it correct? Attached Images

3rd March 2008, 12:10 PM	#2
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	I think the date is 1216 not 1219. The inscription is: amel-i Ahmed sahib Mustafa

12th March 2008, 11:56 PM	#4
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	After more cleaning and polishing, it turns out the fittings are all silver. It's too bad the bolster was broken like that.

13th March 2008, 07:03 AM	#5
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,666	Manolo, I think I and Zifir might have been looking at the date before the clean picture. After you posted the better picture, I am more inclined to think it is a 9 rather than a 6. Which unless tha date helps you attribute the piece to a historical figure or an event, is not so important, and it is in all cases a nice early 19th century piece. Regards, Teodor

14th March 2008, 02:39 AM	#6
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Hi Teodor, The precise date is indeed not that important. I was just getting confused about Arabic numerals and wanted to be sure I was using the correct reference. All the best, Emanuel