Keris for comments

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Pusaka, you've put up a lot of photos, but because of the angles at which they have been shot, it is very difficult to see exactly what we are looking at.

If I may, I offer the following suggestion:-

all you really need are two shots, one of the blade alone, and one close-up of the sorsoran,however, both shots should be taken at as close to 90 degrees to the blade as you can manage; if you can provide these, you may get some opinions.

All I can say is this keris dressed in Jogja brangah , but you use a Solo handle and maybe a Jogja mendak. is this a recent made keris?

[Pusaka]

Sorry was away from home for a few days so did not have access to the keris.

I'm not sure about the age, I dont think its new though, but maybe you think different?

[A. G. Maisey]

Oh yes, its an old blade, but I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at.

I don't think I'm prepared to take a guess on exactly what this is.

I notice what appears to be two pins in the sorsoran. Do you know what these are? Is it another type of pesi repair or what? Have you had the hilt off?

Possibly the best way to post pics so that the keris can be seen easily and properly is like these two that I have posted.

[Pusaka]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Oh yes, its an old blade, but I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at.

I don't think I'm prepared to take a guess on exactly what this is.

I notice what appears to be two pins in the sorsoran. Do you know what these are? Is it another type of pesi repair or what? Have you had the hilt off?

Possibly the best way to post pics so that the keris can be seen easily and properly is like these two that I have posted.

The sorsoran has small gold specks on it (what you refer to as pins) As I said, I dont understand the purpose of these in terms of design?? Maybe its to cover up something? I dont think they were part of the original design.

I will take the hilt off and take some photos

[Pusaka]

Well took the handle off and noticed the pesi was bent slightly so I decided to remove the ganjah to get a look at the base of the pesi. I believe the keris has been repaired, the surface of the ganjah which meets the blade is silvery showing it has been ground so as to get a flat fit. The gold pin is a little mysterious because gold is a soft metal and a pin made of gold is practically useless as a fixing pin to secure the pesi. The ganjah was also secured via what appears to be modern epoxy resin or liquid metal type bonding agent.

[A. G. Maisey]

From what I can see this pesi and gonjo look totally original.

I've reposted your pic and lightened it up a bit. You can see clearly the grain of the metal running from blade to pesi.

The slightly enlarged diameter of the base of the pesi is not unusual.

Araldite and similar modern adhesives have been used in the conservation of keris since at least the 1970's. The purpose is to provide a seal against corrosion on the bottom of the pesi and base of the blade. In an old blade like this one it provides the additional advantage of fixing the pesi without running the risk of damaging the pesi by attempting a pressure fit:- there is simply not enough meat in that pesi to give anything like an acceptable pressure fit. When you refit the pesi I suggest you also use araldite.The bright metal indicates preparation for use of the adhesive.

A gold pin will definitely work as a retaining pin on a tightly fitted replacement pesi; you're only looking at retention of something that is already held in place by pressure, and the shear strength of gold is more than sufficient for this purpose.

However, having seen this keris stripped down, I think that we are looking at a protective device with this pin.

[Pusaka]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

From what I can see this pesi and gonjo look totally original.

I've reposted your pic and lightened it up a bit. You can see clearly the grain of the metal running from blade to pesi.

The slightly enlarged diameter of the base of the pesi is not unusual.

Araldite and similar modern adhesives have been used in the conservation of keris since at least the 1970's. The purpose is to provide a seal against corrosion on the bottom of the pesi and base of the blade. In an old blade like this one it provides the additional advantage of fixing the pesi without running the risk of damaging the pesi by attempting a pressure fit:- there is simply not enough meat in that pesi to give anything like an acceptable pressure fit. When you refit the pesi I suggest you also use araldite.The bright metal indicates preparation for use of the adhesive.

A gold pin will definitely work as a retaining pin on a tightly fitted replacement pesi; you're only looking at retention of something that is already held in place by pressure, and the shear strength of gold is more than sufficient for this purpose.

However, having seen this keris stripped down, I think that we are looking at a protective device with this pin.

Tkanks for the info, any idea of age?. When you say the gold pin is a protective device do you mean it has some mystical meaning?