a keris for my father

asomotif · 12th February 2008, 11:54 AM

Dear Ferry,

Good choice.
5 luk / pendawa lima is my favorite too. A very harmonious keris.

Best regards,
Willem

A. G. Maisey · 12th February 2008, 08:36 PM

Its not a current era keris Ferry. The edges and greneng look like they might have been cleaned up a bit,which is quite acceptable, but it is an older piece.

David · 12th February 2008, 10:31 PM

Nice keris Ferrylaki and a nice gesture. Now i wonder if i shouldn't have had some children when i was younger.

Marcokeris · 14th February 2008, 12:22 PM

Nice keris Ferrylaki.
Could be a keris like your a Pajang keris?

The only thing i don't like is the pendok: (from picture)too much shiny ...but if you like it, of course, it's OK

A. G. Maisey · 14th February 2008, 09:48 PM

Marco, this pendok is a very good quality engraved pendok.

Yes, I agree that it is possibly a little shiny, however, you are looking at this keris if it were a collectable, to be put in a cabinet and looked at in its entirety, Ferry's father will wear this keris as an item of dress, most of the pendok will not be seen because it will be hidden by the setagen, all that will be visible will be the atasan of the wrongko, and the tip of the pendok, we do not want to wear a dirty or tarnished pendok.

This keris is not classifiable as Pajang. It would be safe to classify it from the photo as late Mataram, but in the hand it might be able to be given Koripan, or possibly even Kajoran.

Marcokeris · 16th February 2008, 11:43 AM

Sorry Alan but...Koripan,... Kajoran

A. G. Maisey · 16th February 2008, 01:29 PM

Part of the whole tangguh thing Marco.

Koripan is a smithing village near Klaten, they've produced Mataram style keris since supposedly around 1825.

Kajoran was family with connections to Mataram.

There's really no need to get too involved in this, its sub-classification of a broad general type. Pretty difficult, maybe impossible to do from pics, and even in the hand if you have 6 experts, you'll have 9 opinions.

12th February 2008, 11:54 AM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	5 luk Dear Ferry, Good choice. 5 luk / pendawa lima is my favorite too. A very harmonious keris. Best regards, Willem

12th February 2008, 08:36 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Its not a current era keris Ferry. The edges and greneng look like they might have been cleaned up a bit,which is quite acceptable, but it is an older piece.

12th February 2008, 10:31 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,237	Nice keris Ferrylaki and a nice gesture. Now i wonder if i shouldn't have had some children when i was younger.

14th February 2008, 12:22 PM	#4
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Nice keris Ferrylaki. Could be a keris like your a Pajang keris? The only thing i don't like is the pendok: (from picture)too much shiny ...but if you like it, of course, it's OK

14th February 2008, 09:48 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Marco, this pendok is a very good quality engraved pendok. Yes, I agree that it is possibly a little shiny, however, you are looking at this keris if it were a collectable, to be put in a cabinet and looked at in its entirety, Ferry's father will wear this keris as an item of dress, most of the pendok will not be seen because it will be hidden by the setagen, all that will be visible will be the atasan of the wrongko, and the tip of the pendok, we do not want to wear a dirty or tarnished pendok. This keris is not classifiable as Pajang. It would be safe to classify it from the photo as late Mataram, but in the hand it might be able to be given Koripan, or possibly even Kajoran.

16th February 2008, 11:43 AM	#6
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Sorry Alan but...Koripan,... Kajoran

16th February 2008, 01:29 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Part of the whole tangguh thing Marco. Koripan is a smithing village near Klaten, they've produced Mataram style keris since supposedly around 1825. Kajoran was family with connections to Mataram. There's really no need to get too involved in this, its sub-classification of a broad general type. Pretty difficult, maybe impossible to do from pics, and even in the hand if you have 6 experts, you'll have 9 opinions.