Any U.K. Members

lemmythesmith · 9th January 2008, 08:17 PM

Hi Rick,Alan, I've just had a look at Cutler's Hall website-it's now a conference and convention centre! I would imagine that the English keris possibly resides in the Royal Armouries in Leeds now. I would certainly believe that it exists-the English produced all kinds of edged weapons for many cultures, so a Sheffield or Birmingham keris wouldn't surprise me.

A. G. Maisey · 9th January 2008, 08:57 PM

Its still around, but I'm uncertain where. I asked a good friend of mine yesterday if she had seen it on her recent visit to Sheffield, and she had. I know that she and her husband visited the Cutler's Hall, and even got into the "inner sanctum", so its probably there.

A. G. Maisey · 17th March 2008, 10:44 PM

I think I have an answer on the question of keris made in Sheffield.

I made approaches to a couple of people for photographs, and these approaches were unsuccessful, although I did get some promises.

Then I contacted the archivist for The Company of Cutlers in Hallamshire, Dr. Joan Unwin.

Dr. Unwin returned several photos to me within a very short space of time.

These English keris, are not keris. They are European style daggers with flamboyant blades. I presume that the manufacturers of these daggers called them "keris" in much the same way that present day manufacturers call some models of pocket knives yataghans, & etc.

Three "keris" have been archived, two by Joseph Beal, one by Joseph Rogers.

I do not have Dr. Unwin's permission to publish these photos, and I feel disinclined to ask for this, however, anybody who would like to see these photos may contact me and request copies.

After seeing these daggers I cannot imagine what my previous informants were talking about.

9th January 2008, 08:17 PM	#1
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Hi Rick,Alan, I've just had a look at Cutler's Hall website-it's now a conference and convention centre! I would imagine that the English keris possibly resides in the Royal Armouries in Leeds now. I would certainly believe that it exists-the English produced all kinds of edged weapons for many cultures, so a Sheffield or Birmingham keris wouldn't surprise me.

9th January 2008, 08:57 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Its still around, but I'm uncertain where. I asked a good friend of mine yesterday if she had seen it on her recent visit to Sheffield, and she had. I know that she and her husband visited the Cutler's Hall, and even got into the "inner sanctum", so its probably there.

17th March 2008, 10:44 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	I think I have an answer on the question of keris made in Sheffield. I made approaches to a couple of people for photographs, and these approaches were unsuccessful, although I did get some promises. Then I contacted the archivist for The Company of Cutlers in Hallamshire, Dr. Joan Unwin. Dr. Unwin returned several photos to me within a very short space of time. These English keris, are not keris. They are European style daggers with flamboyant blades. I presume that the manufacturers of these daggers called them "keris" in much the same way that present day manufacturers call some models of pocket knives yataghans, & etc. Three "keris" have been archived, two by Joseph Beal, one by Joseph Rogers. I do not have Dr. Unwin's permission to publish these photos, and I feel disinclined to ask for this, however, anybody who would like to see these photos may contact me and request copies. After seeing these daggers I cannot imagine what my previous informants were talking about.