Keeping a keris for protection

David · 4th January 2008, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

offering is an expression
expression leads awareness
awareness leads to the decision how many effort should be spent
then
the real power of protecting should still inside the people who do an offering
the keris remains merely a "medium"
even to the people who believe in ghost power
the keris master should be THE MASTER.

I believe we see eye to eye on this one Usman.

A. G. Maisey · 4th January 2008, 07:42 PM

Yes, agreed.

The master of oneself.

Pusaka · 6th January 2008, 08:32 PM

Personally I think a keris is and can be thought of as a Jimat.

http://drgrotte.com/BalineseMedicine...ntraforAmulets

David · 7th January 2008, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pusaka

Personally I think a keris is and can be thought of as a Jimat.

http://drgrotte.com/BalineseMedicine...ntraforAmulets

"Because the jimats is created and consecrated specifically for one individual it can never be transferred to another"
In this respect at least i would have to say that a jimat is the polar opposite of a keris.

Pusaka · 7th January 2008, 01:02 AM

"If possible, the consecration of the jimats through the mantras is best when completed either on the new moon, full moon or a particularly auspicious day called Kajeng Kliwon that occurs every fifteen days. Consecration proceeds as follows:

1. Bringing the jimats into being with its accompanying mantra, using the name of the recipient as well as visualization
2. making the jimats alive with the Penguripmantra,
3. following with a joining mantra,
4. concluding with the Pasupati mantra that imbues the jimats with sakti

The jimats is then worn next to the skin by the recipient, who is instructed with additional information on the responsibilities of honoring, respecting and maintaining the live state of the jimats. If these instructions are not followed the jimats will cease to contain living energy."

Above was what I was referring to, the isi (or whatever you prefer to call it) would be created in a similar way. Also its questionable as to whether a keris was made for one person or not. That is why some would prefer a new keris rather than an old one

David · 7th January 2008, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pusaka

Also its questionable as to whether a keris was made for one person or not. That is why some would prefer a new keris rather than an old one

Is it? Surely a specific keris is initially designed with a single person in mind, but the idea that it will then be passed on down through the family as a direct line of power and a means of accessing that family's power and history seems implicit to the keris and it's cultural application.
Seems a strange statement from a guy who calls himself Pusaka.

There may indeed be similarities with the way jimat is imbued with sakti, but i think that it in the nature of the way this particular type of magick works. Certain many keris were made solely as talismans, but then keris have always had many other positions to fill in Indonesian life. I am not saying that some may not have functioned as a type of jimat in some cases, but to say that is what a keris is seems a bit off the mark to me.

PenangsangII · 7th January 2008, 09:41 AM

The isi of a keris is transferable to the next owner, provided we treat the isi in the same manner that the original owner/s did. Further, when we buy a keris, we have the so called akad or solemn, and its not exactly buying a keris, but rather marrying to a keris by offering "mahar" or "mas kawin".

4th January 2008, 07:42 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,061	Yes, agreed. The master of oneself.

6th January 2008, 08:32 PM	#3
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	Personally I think a keris is and can be thought of as a Jimat. http://drgrotte.com/BalineseMedicine...ntraforAmulets

7th January 2008, 01:02 AM	#5
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	"If possible, the consecration of the jimats through the mantras is best when completed either on the new moon, full moon or a particularly auspicious day called Kajeng Kliwon that occurs every fifteen days. Consecration proceeds as follows: 1. Bringing the jimats into being with its accompanying mantra, using the name of the recipient as well as visualization 2. making the jimats alive with the Penguripmantra, 3. following with a joining mantra, 4. concluding with the Pasupati mantra that imbues the jimats with sakti The jimats is then worn next to the skin by the recipient, who is instructed with additional information on the responsibilities of honoring, respecting and maintaining the live state of the jimats. If these instructions are not followed the jimats will cease to contain living energy." Above was what I was referring to, the isi (or whatever you prefer to call it) would be created in a similar way. Also its questionable as to whether a keris was made for one person or not. That is why some would prefer a new keris rather than an old one

7th January 2008, 09:41 AM	#7
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	The isi of a keris is transferable to the next owner, provided we treat the isi in the same manner that the original owner/s did. Further, when we buy a keris, we have the so called akad or solemn, and its not exactly buying a keris, but rather marrying to a keris by offering "mahar" or "mas kawin".