ID need of man with spear

fearn · 20th December 2007, 08:11 PM

Hi Tim,

I tend to agree, but remember that in the western Papua area and Indonesian islands to the west of Irian, there is a lot of intermixing between Papuan and Indonesian ethno-types, same as on Luzon.

I tend to discount the Andamanese, because they are either Stone Age (and uncontacted) or were assimilated most of a century ago.

Tim Simmons · 20th December 2007, 08:45 PM

Hmmm, I wonder how far this mix actually goes. I know which side I am on.

VANDOO · 20th December 2007, 09:11 PM

MELANESIAN, AUSTRUALASIAN,POLYNESIAN,MENEHUNIE,NEGRITOS, AND THEN WHALERS AND EXPLORERS AND BEACH BUMS NO WONDER THERE IS QUITE A MIX.

I SUSPECT THE MAN IN QUESTION MAY BE FROM ONE OF THE MANY ISLANDS IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC BUT CAN NOT GUESS ANY CLOSER THAN THAT. HE SEEMS TO HAVE MORE ORIENTAL IN THE MIX THAN POLYNESIAN OR ABORIGINAL FROM NEW GUINEA OR AUSTRALIA. PERHAPS SOME OF THE ISLANDS NORTH EAST OF NEW GUINEA?
THE POLYNESIANS MOSTLY PRACTICED TATOOING THE AUSTRALIAN AND SOME NEW GUINEA ABORIGINALS PRACTICE THE SCARIFICATION. SCARIFICATION IS ALSO PRACTICED QUITE A BIT IN AFRICA. SORRY I CAN'T BE OF MORE HELP GOOD LUCK ON YOUR SEARCH.

Matt Splatt · 20th December 2007, 11:45 PM

I don't think facial features are a very reliable track to use as there is great variance amongst even isolated populations not to mention the the number of mixtures that are possible. What about that hilt at the bottom of the picture? Could we get an enlargement of the pommel? We might have some clues there. Any way just my two cents.

saint o'killers · 21st December 2007, 02:31 AM

not Negrito or Moro...the scars is a very good clue. Tribes from the north usually sport FAtoc or tribal tattoo patterns to prove they have taken heads.

Tim Simmons · 21st December 2007, 12:29 PM

Stuff on west Papuans.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DN

Nonoy Tan · 21st December 2007, 12:51 PM

Unfortunately, the photo does not show the bolo/knife in its entirety. Thus, the spear and the scarification are probably the best evidences available.

Still, we have not found a similar spear or scarification design that can positively ID the man. More research is needed

Nonoy

20th December 2007, 08:11 PM	#1
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Hi Tim, I tend to agree, but remember that in the western Papua area and Indonesian islands to the west of Irian, there is a lot of intermixing between Papuan and Indonesian ethno-types, same as on Luzon. I tend to discount the Andamanese, because they are either Stone Age (and uncontacted) or were assimilated most of a century ago.

20th December 2007, 08:45 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	Hmmm, I wonder how far this mix actually goes. I know which side I am on.

20th December 2007, 09:11 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	MELANESIAN, AUSTRUALASIAN,POLYNESIAN,MENEHUNIE,NEGRITOS, AND THEN WHALERS AND EXPLORERS AND BEACH BUMS NO WONDER THERE IS QUITE A MIX. I SUSPECT THE MAN IN QUESTION MAY BE FROM ONE OF THE MANY ISLANDS IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC BUT CAN NOT GUESS ANY CLOSER THAN THAT. HE SEEMS TO HAVE MORE ORIENTAL IN THE MIX THAN POLYNESIAN OR ABORIGINAL FROM NEW GUINEA OR AUSTRALIA. PERHAPS SOME OF THE ISLANDS NORTH EAST OF NEW GUINEA? THE POLYNESIANS MOSTLY PRACTICED TATOOING THE AUSTRALIAN AND SOME NEW GUINEA ABORIGINALS PRACTICE THE SCARIFICATION. SCARIFICATION IS ALSO PRACTICED QUITE A BIT IN AFRICA. SORRY I CAN'T BE OF MORE HELP GOOD LUCK ON YOUR SEARCH.

20th December 2007, 11:45 PM	#4
Matt Splatt Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 31	I don't think facial features are a very reliable track to use as there is great variance amongst even isolated populations not to mention the the number of mixtures that are possible. What about that hilt at the bottom of the picture? Could we get an enlargement of the pommel? We might have some clues there. Any way just my two cents.

21st December 2007, 02:31 AM	#5
saint o'killers Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 17	not Negrito or Moro...the scars is a very good clue. Tribes from the north usually sport FAtoc or tribal tattoo patterns to prove they have taken heads.

21st December 2007, 12:29 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	Stuff on west Papuans. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DN

21st December 2007, 12:51 PM	#7
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	Unfortunately, the photo does not show the bolo/knife in its entirety. Thus, the spear and the scarification are probably the best evidences available. Still, we have not found a similar spear or scarification design that can positively ID the man. More research is needed Nonoy