I need some more informations over Khanda swords

fernando · 5th December 2007, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by spiral

Well Jim , I have only seen such a suggestion in " islamic weapons" from Mr. Tirri myself.
... I think Artzi has both bought & sold many weapons from Mr. Tirris collection? as my eyes tell me?

I am learning that Mr. Tirry is a knotty boy

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Originally Posted by spiral

having seen so many nailed up examples myselfSpiral

Criminals

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Originally Posted by spiral

As the kukri people say , each one ends up with the person its meant to be with.

Spiral

My people say: Each one has that which he deserves

Fernando

ward · 5th December 2007, 01:30 AM

Tirri's opinions should be taken only as such. He is a wealthy collector who financed a private publishing. enough said

dralin23 · 5th December 2007, 09:02 AM

hi spiral
thanks all for your posted opinions!!
the hole is at an other place in the blade. it is only a very small hole ca. 2mm , such an hole is to small for an nail. i know also such wall nailed swords but i hope the history from these sword is not these. ( it smell not like guiness ore kilkeny

)
can someone help me because the hiltbinding???
stefan

Jim McDougall · 5th December 2007, 01:38 PM

The original graphic furnished circled what appeared to be a hole which was dead center in the blade, and resembled the unfortunate hole I described in the British sword I had. The hole in my sword was clearly not intended as any sort of decorative feature, nor did it have anything to do with the use of the sword, also it could not have been the result of anything accidental or natural.
The 'hole' now shown is among the linear group of impressions that are typically featured on the backpiece of these swords. These strengthening elements it seems often carried these dotlike impressions to vestigially represent the holes in many temple swords where auspicious or apotropaic decorations were applied. This is at least my impression. I am uncertain to what degree the temple swords were decorated but it seems that jingles were often the form of decoration to ward off malevolence during ceremonies and ritual.
I am uncertain why a singular hole would be present in this case.

The key importance of "Hindu Arms and Ritual" is that Robert Elgood explains in great depth how to understand the symbolism imbued in these weapons and the deep reverence with which they are held. Until his work was presented, virtually all references to Indian weapons dealt almost wholly with typology, and even then inconsistantly. I cannot recommend this book highly enough to anyone seriously interested in collecting and understanding these Indian arms.

katana · 5th December 2007, 05:48 PM

Hi Dralin 23,
first of all ...that is a lovely Khanda....congratulations

How are the 'decorative' edgings on your sword fixed to the blade?
I am wondering whether it is rivetted ....and the hole is where a rivet should have been...and is now lost.

Regards David

dralin23 · 5th December 2007, 08:01 PM

hi jim, hi katana
thanks for the congrats! yes it is an nice patisa ore maybe an khanda. the intresting is , it is not an flat blade , this blade got an small middle ridge!! it is unusual. all my khandablades are flat with cutting edges and these are stronger in the center. these hole ar not under the backplates it is in the area from the blade. see the picture again.
regards, stefan

spiral · 5th December 2007, 09:57 PM

I still wouldnt rule out a nail hole, a 2mm hole is big enoughh for a good massonary or carpentry nail.

Spiral

5th December 2007, 09:02 AM	#3
dralin23 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 194	the hole in these khanda hi spiral thanks all for your posted opinions!! the hole is at an other place in the blade. it is only a very small hole ca. 2mm , such an hole is to small for an nail. i know also such wall nailed swords but i hope the history from these sword is not these. ( it smell not like guiness ore kilkeny ) can someone help me because the hiltbinding??? stefan Attached Images

5th December 2007, 08:01 PM	#6
dralin23 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 194	the hole hi jim, hi katana thanks for the congrats! yes it is an nice patisa ore maybe an khanda. the intresting is , it is not an flat blade , this blade got an small middle ridge!! it is unusual. all my khandablades are flat with cutting edges and these are stronger in the center. these hole ar not under the backplates it is in the area from the blade. see the picture again. regards, stefan Attached Images

5th December 2007, 01:30 AM	#2
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Tirri's opinions should be taken only as such. He is a wealthy collector who financed a private publishing. enough said

5th December 2007, 01:38 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,190	The original graphic furnished circled what appeared to be a hole which was dead center in the blade, and resembled the unfortunate hole I described in the British sword I had. The hole in my sword was clearly not intended as any sort of decorative feature, nor did it have anything to do with the use of the sword, also it could not have been the result of anything accidental or natural. The 'hole' now shown is among the linear group of impressions that are typically featured on the backpiece of these swords. These strengthening elements it seems often carried these dotlike impressions to vestigially represent the holes in many temple swords where auspicious or apotropaic decorations were applied. This is at least my impression. I am uncertain to what degree the temple swords were decorated but it seems that jingles were often the form of decoration to ward off malevolence during ceremonies and ritual. I am uncertain why a singular hole would be present in this case. The key importance of "Hindu Arms and Ritual" is that Robert Elgood explains in great depth how to understand the symbolism imbued in these weapons and the deep reverence with which they are held. Until his work was presented, virtually all references to Indian weapons dealt almost wholly with typology, and even then inconsistantly. I cannot recommend this book highly enough to anyone seriously interested in collecting and understanding these Indian arms.

5th December 2007, 05:48 PM	#5
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Dralin 23, first of all ...that is a lovely Khanda....congratulations How are the 'decorative' edgings on your sword fixed to the blade? I am wondering whether it is rivetted ....and the hole is where a rivet should have been...and is now lost. Regards David

5th December 2007, 09:57 PM	#7
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	I still wouldnt rule out a nail hole, a 2mm hole is big enoughh for a good massonary or carpentry nail. Spiral