Greneng

rasdan · 21st November 2007, 01:17 PM

Just for fun, here's some results of direct "translation" of one language (or perhaps culture; in our case) to another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8gnLAvA3rM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCRl5vlMk1I

A. G. Maisey · 21st November 2007, 08:42 PM

Regarding the notch in a khukri blade.

What I might know about khuks could be written on the head of a pin, however, I do have a good friend who lives in Canada, and who, for the last 20 years or so, has been married to the daughter of a Nepalese Brahmin, who lives with them. Father in law was a professor of cultural studies at an Indian university, and my friend is a long-time student of the khukri, weapons culture in general, and Nepalese weaponry in particular. He is an intelligent man whose work involves logical investigation at a university level. He does not, to the best of my knowledge involve himself in internet forums and when I have raised this question with him he has indicated in a very forceful manner that he has no wish to use his time in this manner.

I asked him for his take on the notch in the blade of khuks. Here is his response:-

not one reason but a few.

the principle reason , which could be carved on stone,I was told by a nepalese of experience, not just a figured out theory, is to control blood flow, when chopping up people.

blood on the edge will flow along the edge to the notch then drips off the notch to the ground rather than running over the handle..

I tried it though with milk not blood and it works pretty well..

As well it forms a lock, when in scabbard bladedown and the notch helps lock it.,.

as well many people have told me it represents Mt kailas in tibet, where shiva is said to rest, so its religous symbol i.e. could be prayed to.

A. G. Maisey · 21st November 2007, 08:52 PM

Timely Brother Rasdan, and funny,

Djchengkis Khan is the most hilarious thing I've seen in six months or more.

Thank you.

rasdan · 22nd November 2007, 12:33 AM

You are most welcome Alan..

Rick · 22nd November 2007, 03:01 AM

Now it's stuck in my head ..........

A. G. Maisey · 22nd November 2007, 03:05 AM

I was too busy falling off my chair laughing to notice the melody.

JING!!!!

PenangsangII · 22nd November 2007, 07:03 AM

I still think that greneng is just an empu's signature and has nothing significant in its physical function aspect. However, I must say I agree with the notch in a khukuri theory - being blood flow stopper.

Another thing to note, though both types of weapons came from Hinduistic culture, empus were very revered that sometimes even the kings married off their daughters in rewarding their efforts. The same could not & cannot be said about the kami caste (khukuri makers) - They were considered untouchables

BluErf · 22nd March 2011, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rasdan

Just for fun, here's some results of direct "translation" of one language (or perhaps culture; in our case) to another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8gnLAvA3rM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCRl5vlMk1I

Ahahaha, never had such a belly-splitting laugh in a long time.

21st November 2007, 01:17 PM	#1
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	Just for fun, here's some results of direct "translation" of one language (or perhaps culture; in our case) to another. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8gnLAvA3rM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCRl5vlMk1I

21st November 2007, 08:42 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	Regarding the notch in a khukri blade. What I might know about khuks could be written on the head of a pin, however, I do have a good friend who lives in Canada, and who, for the last 20 years or so, has been married to the daughter of a Nepalese Brahmin, who lives with them. Father in law was a professor of cultural studies at an Indian university, and my friend is a long-time student of the khukri, weapons culture in general, and Nepalese weaponry in particular. He is an intelligent man whose work involves logical investigation at a university level. He does not, to the best of my knowledge involve himself in internet forums and when I have raised this question with him he has indicated in a very forceful manner that he has no wish to use his time in this manner. I asked him for his take on the notch in the blade of khuks. Here is his response:- not one reason but a few. the principle reason , which could be carved on stone,I was told by a nepalese of experience, not just a figured out theory, is to control blood flow, when chopping up people. blood on the edge will flow along the edge to the notch then drips off the notch to the ground rather than running over the handle.. I tried it though with milk not blood and it works pretty well.. As well it forms a lock, when in scabbard bladedown and the notch helps lock it.,. as well many people have told me it represents Mt kailas in tibet, where shiva is said to rest, so its religous symbol i.e. could be prayed to.

21st November 2007, 08:52 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	Timely Brother Rasdan, and funny, Djchengkis Khan is the most hilarious thing I've seen in six months or more. Thank you.

22nd November 2007, 12:33 AM	#4
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	You are most welcome Alan..

22nd November 2007, 03:01 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Now it's stuck in my head ..........

22nd November 2007, 03:05 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	I was too busy falling off my chair laughing to notice the melody. JING!!!!

22nd November 2007, 07:03 AM	#7
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	I still think that greneng is just an empu's signature and has nothing significant in its physical function aspect. However, I must say I agree with the notch in a khukuri theory - being blood flow stopper. Another thing to note, though both types of weapons came from Hinduistic culture, empus were very revered that sometimes even the kings married off their daughters in rewarding their efforts. The same could not & cannot be said about the kami caste (khukuri makers) - They were considered untouchables