Another tulwar

spiral · 17th November 2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

I am not sure on the seriousness of this one, on what touches
the hilt, which is nickled (chromed ?) brass. The seller says it's 18th century, but that could be his story.

Commercial Nickel plating started in Europe about 1850, so mid 19th century is the earliest possible date. {IMHO]

spiral

fernando · 17th November 2007, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiral

Commercial Nickel plating started in Europe about 1850, so mid 19th century is the earliest possible date. {IMHO]
spiral

Thank you Jonathan.
I suspected so. I wonder wow quick did the nickel plating process reached India. -That would count also.
Fernando

fernando · 18th November 2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Thank you Jonathan.
I suspected so. I wonder wow quick did the nickel plating process reached India. -That would count also.
Fernando

I was thinking ... the hilt could have being plated long after being originaly cast ... not necessarily ... just measuring the possibilities.

Jens Nordlunde · 18th November 2007, 03:06 PM

Fernando,

What should be said about the tulwar has been said already. The square on top of the hilt is however strange. I don’t remember having seen such a square before. The tulwar may not be very old, but I don’t think it is as bad as many other we see, and it does have a nice looking blade with nice fullers like Rick says. It is hard to tell if the plating of the hilt was made when the hilt was made or later, but both are possibilities. We see the pictures but you have the tulwar, how is the balance of the blade?

Jens

kronckew · 18th November 2007, 03:19 PM

tulwars, like kris, were often re-hilted. there was even a thread here discussing that the indian armouries would keep the blades and hilts dismounted until just before a war in order that they were not available to mutineers, casual rioters and revolutionaries.

thus the hilt may not be the one the blade started it's life with.

fernando · 18th November 2007, 10:17 PM

Hi Jens
Thanks for your coments.
Concerning the "cubic" finial on the hilt, i am pleased that, at least something in this tulwar is unusual to your experienced eyes, for the good or for the bad

I must say that, after all, im am not so unsatisfied for having bought this piece. When i feel in doubt about the hilt, i just have to look at its nice blade.
About its balance, i am not a good judge, but i find it quite easy handling, discounting the usual problem with the hilt size.
It is quite a light piece, considering its 68 cms. blade and only 647 grams weight ... the three fullers counting on this.
Hi Kronckew
Thanks for your support

Eventualy it was i who posted about tulwar hilts being stored apart from blades, according to a book i have read and which caused some skepticism from the part of some members. I later had talks with the author of such book, and precisely as you note, he comented that tulwars were often hilted and rehilted with unfamiliar components, something hard to happen with European swords.
All the best
Fernando

S.Al-Anizi · 18th November 2007, 11:27 PM

Hey, nice sword there Fernando!

18th November 2007, 03:06 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Fernando, What should be said about the tulwar has been said already. The square on top of the hilt is however strange. I don’t remember having seen such a square before. The tulwar may not be very old, but I don’t think it is as bad as many other we see, and it does have a nice looking blade with nice fullers like Rick says. It is hard to tell if the plating of the hilt was made when the hilt was made or later, but both are possibilities. We see the pictures but you have the tulwar, how is the balance of the blade? Jens

18th November 2007, 03:19 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,244	tulwars, like kris, were often re-hilted. there was even a thread here discussing that the indian armouries would keep the blades and hilts dismounted until just before a war in order that they were not available to mutineers, casual rioters and revolutionaries. thus the hilt may not be the one the blade started it's life with.

18th November 2007, 10:17 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Jens Thanks for your coments. Concerning the "cubic" finial on the hilt, i am pleased that, at least something in this tulwar is unusual to your experienced eyes, for the good or for the bad I must say that, after all, im am not so unsatisfied for having bought this piece. When i feel in doubt about the hilt, i just have to look at its nice blade. About its balance, i am not a good judge, but i find it quite easy handling, discounting the usual problem with the hilt size. It is quite a light piece, considering its 68 cms. blade and only 647 grams weight ... the three fullers counting on this. Hi Kronckew Thanks for your support Eventualy it was i who posted about tulwar hilts being stored apart from blades, according to a book i have read and which caused some skepticism from the part of some members. I later had talks with the author of such book, and precisely as you note, he comented that tulwars were often hilted and rehilted with unfamiliar components, something hard to happen with European swords. All the best Fernando

18th November 2007, 11:27 PM	#7
S.Al-Anizi Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 278	Hey, nice sword there Fernando!