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[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

Zuitenzorg [?]
Zuitenborg (original) = Ontosoro (Jawa) = it is Bogor city now
..........org (original) = Malioboro (Jawa)
M......borg = Malioboro

if I am not mistaken "Borg" refers to "Little Castle"
There are two little castle near Malioboro street. First, on the right is Dutch Residence (opposite of Vredeburg fort). Second, on the top is Sultan Castle.

According to novelist Pramoedya Ananta Toer, in one of his novel, Bogor derived from dutch word "Buitenzorg", Raden...

Other dutch-indo words in javanese are: "pit" (bicycle) from "fiets", also part of bike such as "stang" (bar), "pedal" from (peddle). And "sepur" (train) from "spoor". And the "monumental" on word-invention in javanese is the naming of solonese traditional dress of "beskap" that derived from dutch word "beschaafd" (civilized). That's just to differ or "mockery" to the older style, mataraman style of Yogyakartanese that called "sorjan" (this is original javanese word). Solonese, in daily mockery often says, they are more "beschaafd" than Yogyakartanese. (Please, don't be angry, for the sake of keris knowledge...)

Ganjawulung

[Raden Usman Djogja]

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

According to novelist Pramoedya Ananta Toer, in one of his novel, Bogor derived from dutch word "Buitenzorg", Raden...

... And the "monumental" on word-invention in javanese is the naming of solonese traditional dress of "beskap" that derived from dutch word "beschaafd" (civilized). That's just to differ or "mockery" to the older style, mataraman style of Yogyakartanese that called "sorjan" (this is original javanese word). Solonese, in daily mockery often says, they are more "beschaafd" than Yogyakartanese. (Please, don't be angry, for the sake of keris knowledge...)

Ganjawulung

dear Ganja

Yes, you are right for "buitenzorg". Thanks.

For me no hartfeeling about those mockery words. Interestingly, the rivalry between Solonese and Jogjanese were/are very broad: most of every aspects. They tend[ed] to make differences. Perhaps, it was the manifestation of the struggle of power/influence. What consequences were that situation for keris world/development?

For instance, in other thread we had long discusssion about "mBesut"ing v. preserving keris. Solonese's v. Jogjanese's way. Both ways are supported by philoshipical, technical and even spiritual reasons. Then, my question is whether those phil, tech and spirutual reasons came before or after the different action. Reflecting to the rivalry between two societies, there is an open opportunity that it was because "Solo wanted to be different from Jogja, vise versa". The explanations to support the action came latter.

as X file serial film, if the real situation like it (that the different approach to care of keris is the result of power/influence struglle), the truth is out there. Both were/are destructing ways. The right way is still in search (perhaps one of them through this waroeng. who knows )

warm salam,
Usmen