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13th October 2007, 06:32 AM
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You forgot to tell that this is from an weapon collector that give s his collection to the museum not the missionares did collect this weapon. all marked with this label is from his collection . this is an important note . Ben |
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13th October 2007, 06:59 AM
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Its indeed collected by the missionares ,also the curator assured me and the tag proves that it comes from the collection of Tilburg.see also the pic of the tag. The collection of Nijmegen is mainly built up by two large collections 1: the collection of Beiijens 2: the collection of the missionaries of Tilburg.In Tilburg there was a missionmuseum that donated their collection to Nijmegen after closing. I was suprised finding in the museumcollection so many north Borneo swords like nyabor and pandat etc. but after a short study I found out that they had a mission post in a village near Smitau.They where quite active just south near the border of Sarawak. Also they made travels to Batang Lupar village I don't want to speculate , the reader may decide what to believe but sometimes stories also are important and belongs to the facts of a certain object. |
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13th October 2007, 07:20 AM
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I will copy the cart for you Arjan I will be in the depot In 2 weeks again
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13th October 2007, 08:25 AM
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Also I don't think curators exchange tags from sword for fun...... regards, Arjan. |
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13th October 2007, 08:53 AM
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I was only telling it came from an sword collector never say it was from the beijens collection.
Good reading is always good to make no mistakes Arjan.  Ben |
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13th October 2007, 10:27 AM
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13th October 2007, 08:13 PM
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Read Arjan please read Ben |
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14th October 2007, 08:06 AM
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Arjan. |
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14th October 2007, 08:35 AM
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I explain it was given by an collector to the people in Tilburg not collected by themselves . I will see in 2 weeks if they have an name on it. I hope you understand now . That is why I say read good Maybe also when you was there in the museum and you didn t read good what they tell about the sword . Ben |
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14th October 2007, 02:49 PM
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But if you are there please ask the curator for that little booklet what I found there. its a description of many items from Tilburg also the swords. In it there are schetches and descriptions.note that the collection numbers are the old ones. sadly they don't know who has written it but seen to the many items in it the curator has the idea that its from the fathers from Tilburg. there are also some other descriptions about other swords. I have made pics about the sword pages if you want I can mail them. Arjan. |
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13th October 2007, 10:59 AM
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you telling me I made an mistake I never write it is fom the Beijens collection read arjan please it would be better for us all Ben |
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13th October 2007, 02:24 PM
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that would made the discussion some clearer. Arjan. |
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21st October 2007, 08:01 AM
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Show me the line in that little book where it thells you that this piece was collected by an missionaris . Would be nice to see it thanks for the pic off the book . And I never say it is not from the Tiburg museum . It was not collected by an missionaris that is what I say I found no proof of that it was collected by one off them . And you did not show me yet it was collected by an missionaris . And fer did not get everything just ask him there is just a little that he did get . In 1931 nam de gemeente deel aan de oprichting van een Volkenkundig museum en een Natuurhistorisch museum. Burgemeester en wethouders deelden de gemeenteraad toen mede dat ´noch voor een algemeen oudheidkundig museum, noch voor een textielmuseum met annex oudheidkamer, noch voor een museum van moderne Noordbrabantsche schilderkunst zoodanige vooruitzichten aanwezig (werden) geacht, dat reeds op korte termijn een belangrijk project zou kunnen verwezenlijkt worden.´(12) Op de zolder van het op 27 april 1936 in gebruik genomen ´Nederlandsch Volkenkundig Missiemuseum´ aan de Paleisstraat, werd de door aankoop en vooral door schenking steeds uitgebreide ´verzameling van oude voorwerpen en schilderijen´ opgeslagen in afwachting van het historisch museum. In hetzelfde gebouw was sinds 1935 ook het Natuurhistorisch Museum gehuisvest. In 1954 werd de kleine verzameling overgebracht naar de tweede etage van de afdeling bevolking van de gemeente aan de Markt. In de loop der jaren is de collectie stukje bij beetje toevertrouwd aan de gemeentearchivaris, onder wiens hoede deze nog steeds berust. Alleen de objecten op textielgebied zijn in de jaren vijftig en later overgebracht naar het Nederlands Textielmuseum. it is overhere that they tell that they get a lot off gifts and some one from the city make s note s from what is coming in by gifts . Is there an name in the litle book that would be explain a lot because it don t have to be written by an missionaris . Would be nice to now it . And If you go next week we can met there just email me when you there . regards Ben Last edited by Dajak; 21st October 2007 at 08:13 AM. |
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21st October 2007, 01:37 PM
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However I still think its collected by the missionaries , indeed it's possible that someone else brougth it in.Maybe I was indeed to early with my conclusion.But that doesn't take away that the description from the sword is that good and someone must have mentioned that (when the sword cames in probably.) Indeed there no evidence that the booklet is written by a missionary, but that's also no very important. The book shows clearly to be a kind of intake booklet from the Tilburg collection. Strange however that we don't know the writer.I'm very glad that you have listed the info above.I will surely go to Tilburg now and see what I can find there. Also the fact that my boss and I have agreed to split up give me the opotunity to invest more time in it in the future... Its remarkable that so many descriptions of museum collections are bad , incomplete or get lost.It takes sadly enourmous lots of time to dig up the info we want.I'm also afraid that in the case of Nijmegen the time is 23.59 course maybe the collection will be split up in 2010.And seen to the fact that every movement of collection stuff and info get lost I think we are right on time here. (the archive study will take a lot of time). Hi Ben I will surely contact you when I will go there... regards, Arjan. |
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21st October 2007, 08:01 PM
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Oke Arjan that sounds great .
Did you also noticed that we have more knowledge about the Indonesian weapons than the conservator himself . The best would be for this collection when it do get to an museum who don t put it in an depot but would be show it to the people . I am working on that subject and will try to see if Nijmegen have an idee by put it in the right place , I think I have one for them but still working on it . Regards Ben |
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