Pedang Lurus

VANDOO · 9th September 2007, 02:21 AM

SEVERAL YEARS AGO THE GREENIES IN AUSTRALIA DECIDED THE WILD BUFFALOW WERE NOT NATIVE AND SET UP A MUSTER. ALL THE ANIMALS THEY COULD CATCH WERE ROUNDED UP AND KILLED OFF REMOVING A SPECIES FAVORED BY HUNTERES. I TALKED TO ONE OF THE GUYS WHO WORKED THE MUSTER AND HE SAID THERE WERE SOME NICE BLONDE HORNS AS WELL AS THE USUAL BLACK ONES BUT MOST WERE JUST DISPOSED OF. I THINK THERE IS A PLACE NEAR THE AIRPORT IN DARWIN STILL SELLING HORNS SO IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO RUN DOWN A SET OF HORNS.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO DISPOSE OF THE WILD HOGS AS THEY ARE A LOT MORE DISTRUCTIVE BUT THEY BREED FAST AND ARE TOO SMART AND WILEY TO GET RID OF THEM ENTIRELY. INTRODUCED SPECIES CAN PLAY HAVOK WITH NATIVE LIFE ESPECIALLY IF RESOURCES ARE LIMITED AS IN MANY AREAS OF AUSTRALIA.

Flavio · 9th September 2007, 12:07 PM

Hi Bill, this is a very nice piece (love the lamination!!), but seems to me that doesn't fit the classification of Van Z. for a Pedang Lurus, seems more some kind of golok or something different....

Kind regards

Bill M · 9th September 2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Flavio

Hi Bill, this is a very nice piece (love the lamination!!), but seems to me that doesn't fit the classification of Van Z. for a Pedang Lurus, seems more some kind of golok or something different....

Kind regards

Could be, I'll take a look at Van Z.

It was one of my first pieces and I really fell in love with it when I first got it from Rick at RSWORD. He had it on eBay and nobody bid his minumum -- about $200. This was several years ago, before the prices began their climb.

I emailed him and made an offer close to his minimum bid and he accepted. I was fascinated when I first opened the package. Somewhat by the different colors of the horn, but more so by the overall feel.

Just a really neat piece. Well loved by previous owners and now has a special place in my collection.

Bill M · 9th September 2007, 01:41 PM

I think that Henk and Spiral are right. The grey has the greater detail and was likely the side that was to the outside when worn in a sash.

This would also give the proper grip placement for a draw by the right hand when worn on the left side.

josh stout · 13th September 2007, 03:23 AM

I am a little unsure about how all the details work, but there is a ranking system to horn color in Indonesia. In wayang kulit, dark horn is fit only for crude creations and is usually seen on tourist pieces. Sometimes older ones with nicer work will be fitted with dark horn before being sold to tourists, and this is a sign that the puppet is a composite piece. The light horn is appropriate for well made wayang kulit, but there still seems to be a hierarchy. Important characters get pure blond, important characters with small roles may have mixed horn sticks of blond with a bit of dark, and minor characters such as the mother of an obscure king might have the dark horn handles.
Josh

CharlesS · 14th September 2007, 04:32 PM

I agree with Flavio, while a lovely sword, I would not classify it as a "pedang lurus". This sword appears to be more of a short slasher, which I think would better rate as a "golok" or even perhaps a "klewang".

While this sword could be viewed as have "stabbing potential", a pedang lurus is certainly a thruster first and slasher second IMO. This sword appears to be just the opposite.

Bill M · 14th September 2007, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesS

I agree with Flavio, while a lovely sword, I would not classify it as a "pedang lurus". This sword appears to be more of a short slasher, which I think would better rate as a "golok" or even perhaps a "klewang".

While this sword could be viewed as have "stabbing potential", a pedang lurus is certainly a thruster first and slasher second IMO. This sword appears to be just the opposite.

I agree also, lets just call it a kelly-wang (a Phillip Tom-ism)

Rick · 14th September 2007, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by josh stout

I am a little unsure about how all the details work, but there is a ranking system to horn color in Indonesia. In wayang kulit, dark horn is fit only for crude creations and is usually seen on tourist pieces. Sometimes older ones with nicer work will be fitted with dark horn before being sold to tourists, and this is a sign that the puppet is a composite piece. The light horn is appropriate for well made wayang kulit, but there still seems to be a hierarchy. Important characters get pure blond, important characters with small roles may have mixed horn sticks of blond with a bit of dark, and minor characters such as the mother of an obscure king might have the dark horn handles.
Josh

Here's a nice variegated piece .

Cow or Kerbau, I don't know .

9th September 2007, 01:41 PM	#4
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	I think that Henk and Spiral are right. The grey has the greater detail and was likely the side that was to the outside when worn in a sash. This would also give the proper grip placement for a draw by the right hand when worn on the left side. Attached Images

9th September 2007, 02:21 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	SEVERAL YEARS AGO THE GREENIES IN AUSTRALIA DECIDED THE WILD BUFFALOW WERE NOT NATIVE AND SET UP A MUSTER. ALL THE ANIMALS THEY COULD CATCH WERE ROUNDED UP AND KILLED OFF REMOVING A SPECIES FAVORED BY HUNTERES. I TALKED TO ONE OF THE GUYS WHO WORKED THE MUSTER AND HE SAID THERE WERE SOME NICE BLONDE HORNS AS WELL AS THE USUAL BLACK ONES BUT MOST WERE JUST DISPOSED OF. I THINK THERE IS A PLACE NEAR THE AIRPORT IN DARWIN STILL SELLING HORNS SO IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO RUN DOWN A SET OF HORNS. THEY WOULD LIKE TO DISPOSE OF THE WILD HOGS AS THEY ARE A LOT MORE DISTRUCTIVE BUT THEY BREED FAST AND ARE TOO SMART AND WILEY TO GET RID OF THEM ENTIRELY. INTRODUCED SPECIES CAN PLAY HAVOK WITH NATIVE LIFE ESPECIALLY IF RESOURCES ARE LIMITED AS IN MANY AREAS OF AUSTRALIA.

9th September 2007, 12:07 PM	#2
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hi Bill, this is a very nice piece (love the lamination!!), but seems to me that doesn't fit the classification of Van Z. for a Pedang Lurus, seems more some kind of golok or something different.... Kind regards

13th September 2007, 03:23 AM	#5
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	I am a little unsure about how all the details work, but there is a ranking system to horn color in Indonesia. In wayang kulit, dark horn is fit only for crude creations and is usually seen on tourist pieces. Sometimes older ones with nicer work will be fitted with dark horn before being sold to tourists, and this is a sign that the puppet is a composite piece. The light horn is appropriate for well made wayang kulit, but there still seems to be a hierarchy. Important characters get pure blond, important characters with small roles may have mixed horn sticks of blond with a bit of dark, and minor characters such as the mother of an obscure king might have the dark horn handles. Josh

14th September 2007, 04:32 PM	#6
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	I agree with Flavio, while a lovely sword, I would not classify it as a "pedang lurus". This sword appears to be more of a short slasher, which I think would better rate as a "golok" or even perhaps a "klewang". While this sword could be viewed as have "stabbing potential", a pedang lurus is certainly a thruster first and slasher second IMO. This sword appears to be just the opposite.