Could this be Indonesian ? or Dutch?

RSWORD · 20th August 2007, 09:43 PM

This might be some type of frontiersman knife. There are folks knowledgeable in staghorn identification and could point to Europe/America or Asia as probable origin. The blade part might be a recycled pike blade.

tom hyle · 22nd August 2007, 03:34 AM

IT appears to be an oceanic SE Asian spear blade mounted as a dagger. The handle looks European, but it's awful generic. Why are we ruling out budiak, and mata tombak? Does this resemble the square-bolstered mystery spears we've discussed before, which seem to perhaps be Visayan?

Battara · 22nd August 2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tom hyle

IT appears to be an oceanic SE Asian spear blade mounted as a dagger. The handle looks European, but it's awful generic. Why are we ruling out budiak, and mata tombak? Does this resemble the square-bolstered mystery spears we've discussed before, which seem to perhaps be Visayan?

The reason I rule out Budiak is that it does not fit the Budiak profile. I am even hesitant to label it tombak as well - again profile and characteristics. I like Rsword's pike idea. This fits that profile and the stag horn was common, especially in Scotland and USA for handles.

Tim Simmons · 22nd August 2007, 09:46 PM

It could be part of a carving set. The skewer?

Henk · 22nd August 2007, 10:52 PM

It is not a tombak. And it is certainly not dutch.

A frontiersknife or something like that as Rsword mentioned is the best option for now.

katana · 23rd August 2007, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

It could be part of a carving set. The skewer?

....a carving set consists of a knife ....and a fork and , although this knife is sharp its medial ridge is too thick and the blade profile totally unsuitable for carving.
A skewer is almost always a pointed even shaft which does not flare out...it is designed to 'pin together' objects.

I still think that this is a re-hilted spearhead (lance tip / pike tip ...thanks for the ....tip RS Sword

) I thought it may be SEA ...but the staghorn hilt design seemed European. There is no doubt in my mind that this was designed as a stabbing weapon. The handle is incredibly ergonomic(underhand and overhand grips) when used in a stabbing motion. It also has excellent balance the POB is where the blade meets hilt....good for a 'fighting knife'.

PUFF · 23rd August 2007, 03:24 PM

If the piece was SEA.. it was a lance's butt, not a head. Some Siamese 's lance have pointy butt pieces like your blade.

And this 's Siamese spear/lance (exept the 3rd piece)

katana · 23rd August 2007, 04:34 PM

Thank you Puff

something I had not considered

Going back to the balance of the dagger (photo below), as the antler has much less density than steel I can only assume that the 'tang' is quite 'large' and bulky to give the hilt enough weight to give this 'balance'. this suggests to me that the 'tang' is likely to be the remains of the steel shaft of a spearhead/butt

bearing in mind there is no weighted pommel to cause this.

I have found this on Therion Arms. The profile and size of the 'blade' is very similar (although this has pamor)

http://therionarms.com/antiques/therionarms_c419.html

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23rd August 2007, 04:34 PM	#8
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Thank you Puff something I had not considered Going back to the balance of the dagger (photo below), as the antler has much less density than steel I can only assume that the 'tang' is quite 'large' and bulky to give the hilt enough weight to give this 'balance'. this suggests to me that the 'tang' is likely to be the remains of the steel shaft of a spearhead/butt bearing in mind there is no weighted pommel to cause this. I have found this on Therion Arms. The profile and size of the 'blade' is very similar (although this has pamor) http://therionarms.com/antiques/therionarms_c419.html ....... Attached Images Last edited by katana; 23rd August 2007 at 05:09 PM.

20th August 2007, 09:43 PM	#1
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,093	This might be some type of frontiersman knife. There are folks knowledgeable in staghorn identification and could point to Europe/America or Asia as probable origin. The blade part might be a recycled pike blade.

22nd August 2007, 03:34 AM	#2
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	IT appears to be an oceanic SE Asian spear blade mounted as a dagger. The handle looks European, but it's awful generic. Why are we ruling out budiak, and mata tombak? Does this resemble the square-bolstered mystery spears we've discussed before, which seem to perhaps be Visayan?

22nd August 2007, 09:46 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	It could be part of a carving set. The skewer?

22nd August 2007, 10:52 PM	#5
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	It is not a tombak. And it is certainly not dutch. A frontiersknife or something like that as Rsword mentioned is the best option for now.

23rd August 2007, 03:24 PM	#7
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	If the piece was SEA.. it was a lance's butt, not a head. Some Siamese 's lance have pointy butt pieces like your blade. And this 's Siamese spear/lance (exept the 3rd piece)