Could this be Indonesian ? or Dutch?

katana · 16th August 2007, 08:29 PM

Thank you Battara and Marcokeris for your comments, could this dagger still be from the SEA region..... perhaps it would be better to add more pictures/details when the dagger is delivered .

katana · 20th August 2007, 07:14 PM

The dagger has arrived, no markings, flattened diamond in cross section. Double edged and still sharp. 'Hot pin' test of the handle revealed it is definately of animal origin.....but what animal

Two indentations 180 degrees apart, on the 'shoulder' section as the blade meets hilt seem 'unusual' ...I've no idea why they are there

Without doubt this is a stabbing weapon, the blade is approx. 7mm thick (central ridge) and seems very 'robust' Patina suggests mid 19th C to early 20 th.

.... any suggestions to origin and use would be greatly appreciated...

Regards David

RSWORD · 20th August 2007, 08:43 PM

This might be some type of frontiersman knife. There are folks knowledgeable in staghorn identification and could point to Europe/America or Asia as probable origin. The blade part might be a recycled pike blade.

tom hyle · 22nd August 2007, 02:34 AM

IT appears to be an oceanic SE Asian spear blade mounted as a dagger. The handle looks European, but it's awful generic. Why are we ruling out budiak, and mata tombak? Does this resemble the square-bolstered mystery spears we've discussed before, which seem to perhaps be Visayan?

Battara · 22nd August 2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tom hyle

IT appears to be an oceanic SE Asian spear blade mounted as a dagger. The handle looks European, but it's awful generic. Why are we ruling out budiak, and mata tombak? Does this resemble the square-bolstered mystery spears we've discussed before, which seem to perhaps be Visayan?

The reason I rule out Budiak is that it does not fit the Budiak profile. I am even hesitant to label it tombak as well - again profile and characteristics. I like Rsword's pike idea. This fits that profile and the stag horn was common, especially in Scotland and USA for handles.

Tim Simmons · 22nd August 2007, 08:46 PM

It could be part of a carving set. The skewer?

Henk · 22nd August 2007, 09:52 PM

It is not a tombak. And it is certainly not dutch.

A frontiersknife or something like that as Rsword mentioned is the best option for now.

katana · 22nd August 2007, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

It could be part of a carving set. The skewer?

....a carving set consists of a knife ....and a fork and , although this knife is sharp its medial ridge is too thick and the blade profile totally unsuitable for carving.
A skewer is almost always a pointed even shaft which does not flare out...it is designed to 'pin together' objects.

I still think that this is a re-hilted spearhead (lance tip / pike tip ...thanks for the ....tip RS Sword

) I thought it may be SEA ...but the staghorn hilt design seemed European. There is no doubt in my mind that this was designed as a stabbing weapon. The handle is incredibly ergonomic(underhand and overhand grips) when used in a stabbing motion. It also has excellent balance the POB is where the blade meets hilt....good for a 'fighting knife'.

20th August 2007, 07:14 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	The dagger has arrived, no markings, flattened diamond in cross section. Double edged and still sharp. 'Hot pin' test of the handle revealed it is definately of animal origin.....but what animal Two indentations 180 degrees apart, on the 'shoulder' section as the blade meets hilt seem 'unusual' ...I've no idea why they are there Without doubt this is a stabbing weapon, the blade is approx. 7mm thick (central ridge) and seems very 'robust' Patina suggests mid 19th C to early 20 th. .... any suggestions to origin and use would be greatly appreciated... Regards David Attached Images

16th August 2007, 08:29 PM	#1
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Thank you Battara and Marcokeris for your comments, could this dagger still be from the SEA region..... perhaps it would be better to add more pictures/details when the dagger is delivered .

20th August 2007, 08:43 PM	#3
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,086	This might be some type of frontiersman knife. There are folks knowledgeable in staghorn identification and could point to Europe/America or Asia as probable origin. The blade part might be a recycled pike blade.

22nd August 2007, 02:34 AM	#4
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	IT appears to be an oceanic SE Asian spear blade mounted as a dagger. The handle looks European, but it's awful generic. Why are we ruling out budiak, and mata tombak? Does this resemble the square-bolstered mystery spears we've discussed before, which seem to perhaps be Visayan?

22nd August 2007, 08:46 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,842	It could be part of a carving set. The skewer?

22nd August 2007, 09:52 PM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	It is not a tombak. And it is certainly not dutch. A frontiersknife or something like that as Rsword mentioned is the best option for now.