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14th August 2007, 06:26 AM
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Mre pics of Forbes sword
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14th August 2007, 06:27 AM
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Another photo of Forbes sword
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14th August 2007, 06:42 AM
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Charles Forbes sword
Would be especially interested if anyone has information about Charles Forbes, as far as I know there were two Charles Forbes in India that were the right age to have owned this sword.
Because of the specific date it has been suggested a Christmas gift from his wife or a presentation from his regiment. Has also been suggested the translation for " this sword is equal to the sword of the Great Ali", would be an arrogant saying for a smith to write and may be misinterpeted. The suspension ring nearest the tip has been add during the period of use. The style for having a two suspension rings started about 1822 and suggests a long period of use for this sword. rand |
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14th August 2007, 10:00 AM
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on August 4th, "ham" gave an answer for a translation, who seems to me similar than that one, as follow ;
"THERE IS NO HERO LIKE 'ALI AND SWORD LIKE DHUL'FAKAR" in fact, no way to translate word to word, but just the spirit  à + Dom Last edited by Dom; 14th August 2007 at 04:07 PM. |
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14th August 2007, 10:11 AM
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nobody of other that Ali, and his sword "Al Faqar" (two-pointed magical sword)  in a sense ; as "best young man"  Regards à + Dom Last edited by Dom; 14th August 2007 at 10:23 AM. |
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14th August 2007, 03:51 PM
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Presentation in Europe
Hey Jim,
Thanks for your feedback. Because the blade appears to be entirely of Indian manufacture (my opinion) , I had dismissed the idea of presentation outside India. But that is certainly a possiblity, thats for pointing that out. rand |
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14th August 2007, 03:54 PM
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Have a feeling you are most likely correct.... rand |
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14th August 2007, 04:02 PM
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Clipped Point
Hey Jim,
The clipped point is inusual, its more to the Russian or Dutch taste. When I first saw this sword about 16 years ago displayed about 16' above the floor, remember my first impression was that it may be Russian, only seeing the sword sheathed. Can't remember if I was able to see the blade before buying it..... rand Last edited by rand; 14th August 2007 at 04:38 PM. |
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I have occasionally seen these points on British Mamelukes as well. All the Best Jeff |
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14th August 2007, 06:54 AM
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Absolutely breathtaking sabre Rand!! and obviously with some great history given the inscriptions described. I very much look forward to hearing more on this sword from those here well versed on Islamic swords, and on the blade. While it appears to be damascus steel, the clipped blade tip seems atypical for such sabres. The Ottoman form hilt, the date and inscription to Charles Forbes, possibly a diplomatic gift? After the campaigns in Egypt, both British and French officers greatly impressed by the Mamluk warriors, sought to have sabres of the form used by them. The European versions of these swords became regulation patterns that of course exist to this day.
Admiringly  Jim |
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