Dramatic pattern weld on Turkish barrel

tom hyle · 13th August 2007, 02:39 PM

i'M unsure, but the square one appears to maybe be a faked pattern.

rand · 13th August 2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tom hyle

i'M unsure, but the square one appears to maybe be a faked pattern.

Hi Tom,

Have to respectfully disagree with you Tom, the etched pattern on the square barrel looks very good. There are also a few similar varients of that pattern, one being from a firearm identified as being from Tibet where the etched pattern weld hints of being a stylized cloud in appearance.

Josh,
Could you post you pic of the Tibetan rifle here?

One thing I would like to hear opinions on is age. Have yet to see a clear chronolgy of miquelet and earlier Islamic firearms. We have distinction for different sttyles of miquelet locks by region. Most miquelets rifle are identified as simply 18th century or circa 1800. The matchlock Turkish musket is even more mysterious, with little information on bore.

rand

ward · 13th August 2007, 06:08 PM

no It is not a acid etched pattern. just a well made pattern weld

rand · 13th August 2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ward

no It is not a acid etched pattern. just a well made pattern weld

Hi Ward,

Are you saying the pattern welded barrel design is brought out by polishing only?

My understanding is the barrels were polished and then etched in an acidic soultion to bring out the pattern clearly.

In no way am I inferring this barrel to be a type of "false damacus", its a rare and amazing example of a Turkish firearm.

Ward,
Can you show photo's of the locks? Am assuming they are mounted with a type of miquelet lock.

rand

ward · 13th August 2007, 06:32 PM

you are corect I was saying the pattern was not carved in wax and then acid etched as in false damacene . I will get some pics up soon

Richard Furrer · 14th August 2007, 12:55 AM

Rand,
That barrel is worth reproducing. Another smith is coming to my shop this winter and we were planning on making some barrels. I would enjoy as many pictures as you can provide...especially of the breech and the end of the barrel.
What it looks like you have there is double row of twisted which has been ground to about 30% its thickness to get that star pattern to show well. The straight laminate is along side and it appears from what I can see in the reverse twist that there are eight sections (like and orange) -- four of the double twist and four of the straight. It is not simple to make the orange sections, but to do a reverse twist on the barrel is something difficult indeed..prone to welding shear.

Ward,
That last picture is a nice accordion folded jelly roll...not a simple thing to do.

Battara · 14th August 2007, 01:15 AM

Would you folks please also share full pictures of these wonderful puppies!

13th August 2007, 02:39 PM	#1
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	i'M unsure, but the square one appears to maybe be a faked pattern.

13th August 2007, 06:08 PM	#3
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	no It is not a acid etched pattern. just a well made pattern weld

13th August 2007, 06:32 PM	#5
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	you are corect I was saying the pattern was not carved in wax and then acid etched as in false damacene . I will get some pics up soon

14th August 2007, 12:55 AM	#6
Richard Furrer Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin Posts: 163	Rand, That barrel is worth reproducing. Another smith is coming to my shop this winter and we were planning on making some barrels. I would enjoy as many pictures as you can provide...especially of the breech and the end of the barrel. What it looks like you have there is double row of twisted which has been ground to about 30% its thickness to get that star pattern to show well. The straight laminate is along side and it appears from what I can see in the reverse twist that there are eight sections (like and orange) -- four of the double twist and four of the straight. It is not simple to make the orange sections, but to do a reverse twist on the barrel is something difficult indeed..prone to welding shear. Ward, That last picture is a nice accordion folded jelly roll...not a simple thing to do.

14th August 2007, 01:15 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	Would you folks please also share full pictures of these wonderful puppies!