PI Kris for ID and Comments

Spunjer · 9th March 2005, 11:46 PM

LOL! i hope not!

...aren't they suppose to be invincible anyways?

moose · 10th March 2005, 04:56 PM

"moose 49017?

"

Spunjer,
I went back and took a look. Brazilian Ju Jitsu Fan.....

brazjitsfan...I get it now!

Looking forward to seeing what I got.

Now we both know.

moose

moose · 10th March 2005, 05:08 PM

Battara,
Or anybody else that wants to chime in.

This is all premature because my new blade hasn't arrived yet. But I know the asang asang/s are missing on it.

If the handle above fits well with the blade how would I go about fitting new asang asang/s to this handle?
I presume forge the ends down thin and long so they slide into the handle along with the tang.
But that's just a guess.

I dunno maybe it's not done with this kind of handle? I have the pitch for setting the blade into the handle.

moose

moose · 11th March 2005, 02:45 PM

bump to the top.

moose

Federico · 12th March 2005, 01:09 AM

Spunjer, the smell you were smelling could have been pitch burning between the gangya and blade. Something that has come up after working with a number of Moro Kris, is that rotation of the gangya may have been a big concern (I personally wonder if that is the true purpose of the asang-asang to prevent rotation vs securing the blade to the hilt). Anyways, most kris that have a good seal between blade and separate gangya, there is a thin layer of pitch securing the two together (ever wonder why the separate gangya just doesnt fall off a bare blade). It is normally well protected from heat, due to the thickness of the gangya and that portion of the blade, but enough direct heat will get it to bubble.

Moose, not Battara, but in my experience with dis-assembled kris, many asang-asang tails (for lack of a better word), when a separate strip than the asang-asang (eg. a copper tail), have been tied to the tang, and inserted into the puhan. I have also seen some with just long enough tails that go just under the ferrule, not much further (not tied to the tang). For one piece asang-asang, usually the iron ones from Mindanao, those tend to go along side the handle, and then hidden by the handle wrap. I have seen two piece asang-asang done similarly, but in most cases they were after market changes, and not the original configuration (would be easier to do than removing the whole hilt). Then again there are always exceptions.

Rick · 12th March 2005, 02:19 AM

Here is an example of the asang asang tail running up outside of the hilt , notice that it also acts as a tensioning device to keep the silver wire wrap tight .

zamboanga · 13th March 2005, 03:28 AM

hi everyone,

i do not know if this has been discussed earlier. Is the placement of the asang-asang tail an indication of whether a kris is modern (aka tourist) or antique?

someone said to me that authentic krises have their tails wrapped on the side of the puhan and not inserted with the tang into the puhan. for the purpose of the tail daw is to hold the handle inseparable with the blade. if the tail is inserted along with the tang then it does not serve its purpose.

any comments?

10th March 2005, 04:56 PM	#2
moose Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, Michigan USA Posts: 44	Ah! now it's getting clearer. "moose 49017? " Spunjer, I went back and took a look. Brazilian Ju Jitsu Fan..... brazjitsfan...I get it now! Looking forward to seeing what I got. Now we both know. moose

10th March 2005, 05:08 PM	#3
moose Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, Michigan USA Posts: 44	Remount questions Battara, Or anybody else that wants to chime in. This is all premature because my new blade hasn't arrived yet. But I know the asang asang/s are missing on it. If the handle above fits well with the blade how would I go about fitting new asang asang/s to this handle? I presume forge the ends down thin and long so they slide into the handle along with the tang. But that's just a guess. I dunno maybe it's not done with this kind of handle? I have the pitch for setting the blade into the handle. moose

12th March 2005, 02:19 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Here is an example of the asang asang tail running up outside of the hilt , notice that it also acts as a tensioning device to keep the silver wire wrap tight . Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 12th March 2005 at 02:40 AM.

13th March 2005, 03:28 AM	#7
zamboanga Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zamboanga city, philippines Posts: 132	placement of asang-asang tail hi everyone, i do not know if this has been discussed earlier. Is the placement of the asang-asang tail an indication of whether a kris is modern (aka tourist) or antique? someone said to me that authentic krises have their tails wrapped on the side of the puhan and not inserted with the tang into the puhan. for the purpose of the tail daw is to hold the handle inseparable with the blade. if the tail is inserted along with the tang then it does not serve its purpose. any comments?

9th March 2005, 11:46 PM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	LOL! i hope not! ...aren't they suppose to be invincible anyways?

11th March 2005, 02:45 PM	#4
moose Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, Michigan USA Posts: 44	bump to the top. moose

12th March 2005, 01:09 AM	#5
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	Spunjer, the smell you were smelling could have been pitch burning between the gangya and blade. Something that has come up after working with a number of Moro Kris, is that rotation of the gangya may have been a big concern (I personally wonder if that is the true purpose of the asang-asang to prevent rotation vs securing the blade to the hilt). Anyways, most kris that have a good seal between blade and separate gangya, there is a thin layer of pitch securing the two together (ever wonder why the separate gangya just doesnt fall off a bare blade). It is normally well protected from heat, due to the thickness of the gangya and that portion of the blade, but enough direct heat will get it to bubble. Moose, not Battara, but in my experience with dis-assembled kris, many asang-asang tails (for lack of a better word), when a separate strip than the asang-asang (eg. a copper tail), have been tied to the tang, and inserted into the puhan. I have also seen some with just long enough tails that go just under the ferrule, not much further (not tied to the tang). For one piece asang-asang, usually the iron ones from Mindanao, those tend to go along side the handle, and then hidden by the handle wrap. I have seen two piece asang-asang done similarly, but in most cases they were after market changes, and not the original configuration (would be easier to do than removing the whole hilt). Then again there are always exceptions.