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fernando · 6th August 2007, 12:37 AM

Naturally each one has his own opinnion, we were all made to be different.
This is an Ethnographic Arms and Armour Forum.
In the assumption that firearms are dislikeable because we have carried them far too much in the past, i personaly don't see any difference between them and edged weapons, as the purpose is or has been precisely the same ... just a question of time or context. Active firearms, same as active white arms, are forcingly and deeply comdemnable. One basic reason i see for contemplating old weapons, fire or edged being not different, is to remind us what we should hate to use, to stop man being the only species that hunts its own kind. Some other reasons woul be consumism and aesthetics, simple or mechanicaly animated. Its a question of taste.
With all respect.

Jim McDougall · 6th August 2007, 01:12 AM

I'm glad Fernando posted this, and I think it is indeed a valid subject whether ethnographic weapon or not as it is in degree associated. Just as with edged weapons, the weapons of colonial powers often diffused into native armouries and if nothing else, even the firearms are interesting from historical perspective.
I fail to see what possible connection there is between negative associations with the guns of today and historical weapons of yesteryear. I do not particularly 'like' guns either as a result of unfortunate personal experience, however I do very much enjoy the 'history of weapons' overall.

Getting to the question, probably one good source would be the 'antique and military swords forum over on SFI. The guys over there seem to be equally involved in one degree or another with a wide scope of weaponry, and I am sure many would have certain knowledge on guns of this period. One of the best sources, if you ever can find them, are auction catalogs, as far as simple identification. As far as books, "British Military Firearms" by Howard Blackmore (I do not recall date) has excellent information, however it would seem your pistol is private issue.

The 'Queen Anne' period is a highly romanticized period, mostly for its associations with the 'golden age' of piracy, and your pistol certainly seems to handsomely represent the time, an extremely nice example.
I hope this will be of some help

All the best ,
Jim

Bill M · 6th August 2007, 02:49 AM

I have no problems with the postings of firearms. They are as ethnographic as edged weapons. Fernando put it very eloquently.

Just to put this pistol in perspective, could you give us an overall length?

Rick · 6th August 2007, 03:29 AM

A pistol is nothing more than a sophisticated tool for throwing a stone .

rand · 6th August 2007, 04:01 AM

The title arms and armor forum sort of says it all. The same type of metalwork done on a sword was done on a firearm as was done on armor. Its all intertwined and all parts of the of arms and armor are needed to fully explain a reason or progression of use. Its a cause and effect ralationship...

Glad you are here Fernando... And I look forward to reading the posts on your fine pistol.

Am curious, what questions do you have about your pistol?

rand

Chris Evans · 6th August 2007, 04:13 AM

Feranando,

What a wonderful pistol - I bet it wasn't cheap.

My attitude to weapons in general is that they are implements of survival. Without them we would have no way to hunt of defend ourselves. Firearms and edged weapons are all all armaments. That said, I think that Ariel's suggestion of a subforum for antique firearms is a good one.

Cheers
Chris

josh stout · 6th August 2007, 02:52 PM

If you had said "Queen Anne" and "antique" to me I would have thought of furniture. It is neat to see the same style in a pistol. For me, that is the useful part of looking at related items from a particular time and place. It allows one to see continuity of themes from a particular culture, which then allows better identification of other artifacts.
Josh

6th August 2007, 04:01 AM	#5
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Arms and armor forum The title arms and armor forum sort of says it all. The same type of metalwork done on a sword was done on a firearm as was done on armor. Its all intertwined and all parts of the of arms and armor are needed to fully explain a reason or progression of use. Its a cause and effect ralationship... Glad you are here Fernando... And I look forward to reading the posts on your fine pistol. Am curious, what questions do you have about your pistol? rand

6th August 2007, 12:37 AM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Naturally each one has his own opinnion, we were all made to be different. This is an Ethnographic Arms and Armour Forum. In the assumption that firearms are dislikeable because we have carried them far too much in the past, i personaly don't see any difference between them and edged weapons, as the purpose is or has been precisely the same ... just a question of time or context. Active firearms, same as active white arms, are forcingly and deeply comdemnable. One basic reason i see for contemplating old weapons, fire or edged being not different, is to remind us what we should hate to use, to stop man being the only species that hunts its own kind. Some other reasons woul be consumism and aesthetics, simple or mechanicaly animated. Its a question of taste. With all respect.

6th August 2007, 01:12 AM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,459	I'm glad Fernando posted this, and I think it is indeed a valid subject whether ethnographic weapon or not as it is in degree associated. Just as with edged weapons, the weapons of colonial powers often diffused into native armouries and if nothing else, even the firearms are interesting from historical perspective. I fail to see what possible connection there is between negative associations with the guns of today and historical weapons of yesteryear. I do not particularly 'like' guns either as a result of unfortunate personal experience, however I do very much enjoy the 'history of weapons' overall. Getting to the question, probably one good source would be the 'antique and military swords forum over on SFI. The guys over there seem to be equally involved in one degree or another with a wide scope of weaponry, and I am sure many would have certain knowledge on guns of this period. One of the best sources, if you ever can find them, are auction catalogs, as far as simple identification. As far as books, "British Military Firearms" by Howard Blackmore (I do not recall date) has excellent information, however it would seem your pistol is private issue. The 'Queen Anne' period is a highly romanticized period, mostly for its associations with the 'golden age' of piracy, and your pistol certainly seems to handsomely represent the time, an extremely nice example. I hope this will be of some help All the best , Jim

6th August 2007, 02:49 AM	#3
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	I have no problems with the postings of firearms. They are as ethnographic as edged weapons. Fernando put it very eloquently. Just to put this pistol in perspective, could you give us an overall length?

6th August 2007, 03:29 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	A pistol is nothing more than a sophisticated tool for throwing a stone .

6th August 2007, 04:13 AM	#6
Chris Evans Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 685	Feranando, What a wonderful pistol - I bet it wasn't cheap. My attitude to weapons in general is that they are implements of survival. Without them we would have no way to hunt of defend ourselves. Firearms and edged weapons are all all armaments. That said, I think that Ariel's suggestion of a subforum for antique firearms is a good one. Cheers Chris

6th August 2007, 02:52 PM	#7
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	If you had said "Queen Anne" and "antique" to me I would have thought of furniture. It is neat to see the same style in a pistol. For me, that is the useful part of looking at related items from a particular time and place. It allows one to see continuity of themes from a particular culture, which then allows better identification of other artifacts. Josh