Keris Sedhotan

[Alam Shah]

Whatever it is... keris is made by humans and for humans... period.

I've seen a picture of an example of what Newsteel had mentioned.
When looking at the blade of such 'extraction'... it seems new... probably Maduran-made. These pieces is, probably imbued by someone whom is well-versed in the mystic arts. A 'clever way' of ridding some of these hard-to-sell... 'tourist-class' blades.

There are true cases, but these are rare and far between.

[David]

As i have mentioned in the past, being very good friends with a couple of the world's best stage magicians definitely keeps me a bit skeptical of such displays. Seeing is not always believing. Kai Wee's sodium explanation is just one example of how this could have been done to fool Pangeran and his friend.
Still, i do not completely dismiss that such things could occur. I also would not completely dismiss the "master" who i might catch at such trickery. A great deal of working magick effectively is the "show". Magick most often works through our states of mind and it is remarkable what the mind can manifest into reality through belief. Many wise "masters" therefore use trickery to put people into an accepting state of mind that will allow the "real" magick to occur. This is certainly not always the reasoning and unfortunately much trickery is merely used to seperate a "poor sucker" from their money.
In trying to reach judgement about such cases i alway ask myself, how much money is involved and just who stands to gain. I generally feel more secure about spiritual experiences which are not bought with money.

[ganjawulung]

Dear All,

Thank you, for your useful information on this "confusing" matters for me. Such case often seen in Jakarta, or in Central Java, East Java. And even, broadcated in television. The image of keris in Indonesia, always related to the magical happenings, or witchcraft... Thank you Pangeran Datu, BluErf, PenangsangII, Newsteel, Alamshah and David for your explanations.

Pangeran Datu:
Your story remind me to many shows in Indonesian television on "Debus" in Banten. Maybe it is not trickery, but I don't know exactly why this can happen. Many Banten "jawara" -- usually they are pencak masters -- who has such kind of "magic devine power". Even they slice their hands but unhurt, in front of television camera...

BluErf:
I am thinking of this trick too (about Pangeran's story on the penca master). Really a tricky show, maybe...

PenangsangII:
Yes, the empus and keris makers will be out of job, if this "sedhotan keris" is not trickery...

Newsteel:
I am suspicious too, and thinking about the "deposite box" possibility. Oneday, my friend brought me a stained and muddy keris. He said, that this keris is a "sedhotan keris" obtained by an "orang pintar" (I don't know the English word). But what I know is, that the muddy keris is really pretty sure a Madurese 20th century or even 21th century keris. With the quality of, say it -- tourist keris, or souvenir keris.

David:
This trickery brings a negative image of keris in Indonesia. Keris always related with trickery craftmanship. And the exposure of such things in television is too much, usually via the "sinetron" (cinema in television), or certain misleading "mystical" program in Indonesian television...

Ganjawulung

[HanaChu69]

Hi all,

I’m clueless on “sedutan” rituals but lately was invited (last minute) by someone from the other forum to witness this. Alas, I could not attend due to time constraint. There are true cases and also gimmicks by profit making individuals. I feel it’s all depending on the charges incurred. If the dowry (asam garam) of the keris is only a few cents worth, I find that it’s most probably genuine. What worry me are the terms and conditions in keeping the keris. I will not want to be involved in the ritual but as a bystander to witness the procedure.

Truthfully,
Hana