Curved Kinjal ? Any good ?

katana · 2nd June 2007, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

It sure looks like a jambiya to me and not a kindjal. Her is one I owned some time ago which is more kindjalish

than the one you have

Lew

Hi Lew and thanks,
for some reason I....like the seller....ID'ed it as a Kindjal... me because of the kindjalish

( nice technical term Lew) hilt. Still, hopefully its better than the picture. Kronckew's Kard (another thread) came from the same source and looks like a nice example

Thats a nice knife Lew

, so now the quest is to find a 'proper' Kindjal

Regards David

kronckew · 2nd June 2007, 07:24 AM

i always think of mine as a bendy kindjal

because of the grips studded on one side. guess they are a form of jambiya, but as i do not like yemeni or arabian jambiya, i'll have difficulty of thinking its related to one of these:

saw quite a few of them in saudi shops in al khobar and dammam over the years, always thought they were crude & overdressed....and the silver is a bi**h to keep clean. (i gather there are a few better shops in riyadh but i never got that far west)

Jim McDougall · 2nd June 2007, 05:52 PM

OK guys,
I think your bendy sort of kindjalish dagger has a blade that looks sort of Black Sea yataghanish (although daggerish size)with the subtle recurve

and the hilt looks kind of Kurdish-ish. Since the Black Sea 'yataghans' ( also Laz bichagi) are also identified as Kurdish-Armenian, maybe this might be Kurdish-Armenianish janbiyya?

Best regards,
Jim

spiral · 3rd June 2007, 09:03 PM

Kronc, to me it looks typical of a ww2 or earlier Bedouin Shibria or shibrya Ive had quite a few & lots of them were fairly much identicle to yours.

They usualy turn up around the Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Syria & sinai area

They are related to Jambia in a way but I often wonder if they were originaly made from tips of yataghan bayonets?

Ive still got a couple but ones a silver & nielo scabbard & grip & a brass wrapped one with a blade made from a file, but they have the 2 prong top rather than the triangle tip of yours. But many have the triangle tip as well.

Spiral

Jim McDougall · 5th June 2007, 09:47 PM

Hi Spiral,
I think your thoughts on regional source for these seems pretty much on target. I dont these these pictured have bayonet blades, but I think your observation on the possibility of the yataghan bayonet blades seems plausible on some regional items. The use of bayonet blades on many items seems to occur on a number of many items such as s'boula in Morocco/the 'Zanzibar swords' and others.

Best regards,
Jim

spiral · 9th June 2007, 11:18 PM

I agree Jim That Kronckews Shibria is certanly not made from a bayonet, my poorly described point was I wonder it that was what the first original early ones were made from.

I am sure many French Yataghans would have been in that area? Syria , Lebanon etc?

Spiral

Jim McDougall · 10th June 2007, 12:10 AM

I was with ya on that Spiral

and I think you did make a good point, those bayonets were a good source for blades for quite a few locally fabricated weapons. It is interesting that the same thing happened in the U.S. during the Civil War, and many bayonets were fabricated into everything from hunting knives and sidearms, same thing in Mexico.
All the best,
Jim

2nd June 2007, 07:24 AM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	i always think of mine as a bendy kindjal because of the grips studded on one side. guess they are a form of jambiya, but as i do not like yemeni or arabian jambiya, i'll have difficulty of thinking its related to one of these: saw quite a few of them in saudi shops in al khobar and dammam over the years, always thought they were crude & overdressed....and the silver is a bi**h to keep clean. (i gather there are a few better shops in riyadh but i never got that far west)

2nd June 2007, 05:52 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,654	OK guys, I think your bendy sort of kindjalish dagger has a blade that looks sort of Black Sea yataghanish (although daggerish size)with the subtle recurve and the hilt looks kind of Kurdish-ish. Since the Black Sea 'yataghans' ( also Laz bichagi) are also identified as Kurdish-Armenian, maybe this might be Kurdish-Armenianish janbiyya? Best regards, Jim

3rd June 2007, 09:03 PM	#4
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Kronc, to me it looks typical of a ww2 or earlier Bedouin Shibria or shibrya Ive had quite a few & lots of them were fairly much identicle to yours. They usualy turn up around the Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Syria & sinai area They are related to Jambia in a way but I often wonder if they were originaly made from tips of yataghan bayonets? Ive still got a couple but ones a silver & nielo scabbard & grip & a brass wrapped one with a blade made from a file, but they have the 2 prong top rather than the triangle tip of yours. But many have the triangle tip as well. Spiral

5th June 2007, 09:47 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,654	Hi Spiral, I think your thoughts on regional source for these seems pretty much on target. I dont these these pictured have bayonet blades, but I think your observation on the possibility of the yataghan bayonet blades seems plausible on some regional items. The use of bayonet blades on many items seems to occur on a number of many items such as s'boula in Morocco/the 'Zanzibar swords' and others. Best regards, Jim

9th June 2007, 11:18 PM	#6
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	I agree Jim That Kronckews Shibria is certanly not made from a bayonet, my poorly described point was I wonder it that was what the first original early ones were made from. I am sure many French Yataghans would have been in that area? Syria , Lebanon etc? Spiral

10th June 2007, 12:10 AM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,654	I was with ya on that Spiral and I think you did make a good point, those bayonets were a good source for blades for quite a few locally fabricated weapons. It is interesting that the same thing happened in the U.S. during the Civil War, and many bayonets were fabricated into everything from hunting knives and sidearms, same thing in Mexico. All the best, Jim