Pics: Jawa Demam Hilts

Alam Shah · 24th May 2007, 02:14 PM

The makara in Martin Kerner's book "Keris-Griffe aus dem malayischen Archipel", (pg:23, Fig 12). The carvings in Kerner's book is much better than ganja's example.

The 'sort-of' translated text:

The black buffalo-horn handle, out of Java was carved as a Makara, a mythical Chimare (vampire?) with elephant head and fish body. The Traufsteine of the temple concern of Borobudur are formed in this type.

Not very meaningful translation, (but hey... I'm not German).

(Pics below for comparison).

ganjawulung · 24th May 2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

...The black buffalo-horn handle, out of Java was carved as a Makara, a mythical Chimare (vampire?) with elephant head and fish body...

At least the same,
My "sword" handle (or maybe big keris?) with "makara" motives was made of "sungu kebo" or the black buffalo-horn handle. So old, that the black horn now seems like wood...

Alam Shah · 24th May 2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

At least the same,
My "sword" handle (or maybe big keris?) with "makara" motives was made of "sungu kebo" or the black buffalo-horn handle. So old, that the black horn now seems like wood...

I have a kujang with this hilt, but a bit broken, see here.

Marcokeris · 25th May 2007, 08:53 AM

Nice old piece, Alam
Here a photo of another makara (a rather new hit)

VVV · 25th May 2007, 09:13 AM

Hi all,

Nice collection of makara hilts.
Thanks Shahrial for the lighter picture. I couldn't see any scales before.
On the illustration from Indonesian Ornamental Design actually that is a rip off too from the older book with the same name by van der Hoop, printed 1949 in "Bandoeng" by the "Koninklijk Bataviaasch Genootschap van Kunsten en Wetenschappen".
Another style of Makara hilt will be published in Karsten's coming new book.
We were at an auction together and he picked up a much chubbier version than the ones in this thread.

Michael

ganjawulung · 25th May 2007, 09:45 AM

Are these also derivations of Makara's motive? These six hilts are typical Cirebonese, and also Tegal hilts (Northern Coast of Central Java). They are abstraction of elephant figure (stylized elephant figure?).

Ganjawulung

Alam Shah · 25th May 2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Are these also derivations of Makara's motive? These six hilts are typical Cirebonese, and also Tegal hilts (Northern Coast of Central Java). They are abstraction of elephant figure (stylized elephant figure?).

Ganjawulung

No, these hilt are not derived from the makara. These are ganesha-inspired hilts.

It seems that you've quite a lot of nice hilts. Are you a hilt collector,as well?

Marcokeris · 25th May 2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by VVV

Hi all,

Nice collection of makara hilts.
Thanks Shahrial for the lighter picture. I couldn't see any scales before.
On the illustration from Indonesian Ornamental Design actually that is a rip off too from the older book with the same name by van der Hoop, printed 1949 in "Bandoeng" by the "Koninklijk Bataviaasch Genootschap van Kunsten en Wetenschappen".
Another style of Makara hilt will be published in Karsten's coming new book.
We were at an auction together and he picked up a much chubbier version than the ones in this thread.

Michael

Hallo Michael
Please could you tell some more news about the new Karsten's book?
(When will be edit, subject, ...)
Thanks
Marco

VVV · 25th May 2007, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Hallo Michael
Please could you tell some more news about the new Karsten's book?
(When will be edit, subject, ...)
Thanks
Marco

Hello Marco,

Hopefully it will be available early this Fall.
It will cover all Keris areas and is 400+ pages in colour with several keris from museums and other European collections.
Last time I talked with Karsten I was told that it will be published as a CD because of the size etc.

Michael

Alam Shah · 25th May 2007, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

...Nice collection of makara hilts.
Thanks Shahrial for the lighter picture. I couldn't see any scales before.
On the illustration from Indonesian Ornamental Design actually that is a rip off too from the older book with the same name by van der Hoop, printed 1949 in "Bandoeng" by the "Koninklijk Bataviaasch Genootschap van Kunsten en Wetenschappen".
Another style of Makara hilt will be published in Karsten's coming new book.
We were at an auction together and he picked up a much chubbier version than the ones in this thread.

Michael

No problem, Michael. Imho, ganjawulung's hilt is probably an improved, simplified version of the makara, hence the missing scales.

I'll be looking forward to Karsten's new book, as well.

24th May 2007, 02:14 PM	#1
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Makara hilt. The makara in Martin Kerner's book "Keris-Griffe aus dem malayischen Archipel", (pg:23, Fig 12). The carvings in Kerner's book is much better than ganja's example. The 'sort-of' translated text: The black buffalo-horn handle, out of Java was carved as a Makara, a mythical Chimare (vampire?) with elephant head and fish body. The Traufsteine of the temple concern of Borobudur are formed in this type. Not very meaningful translation, (but hey... I'm not German). (Pics below for comparison). Attached Images Last edited by Alam Shah; 24th May 2007 at 02:26 PM. Reason: picture transferred from above for comparison

25th May 2007, 08:53 AM	#4
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Nice old piece, Alam Here a photo of another makara (a rather new hit) Attached Images

25th May 2007, 09:45 AM	#6
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Makara's Derivation? Are these also derivations of Makara's motive? These six hilts are typical Cirebonese, and also Tegal hilts (Northern Coast of Central Java). They are abstraction of elephant figure (stylized elephant figure?). Ganjawulung Attached Images

25th May 2007, 09:13 AM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi all, Nice collection of makara hilts. Thanks Shahrial for the lighter picture. I couldn't see any scales before. On the illustration from Indonesian Ornamental Design actually that is a rip off too from the older book with the same name by van der Hoop, printed 1949 in "Bandoeng" by the "Koninklijk Bataviaasch Genootschap van Kunsten en Wetenschappen". Another style of Makara hilt will be published in Karsten's coming new book. We were at an auction together and he picked up a much chubbier version than the ones in this thread. Michael