sudanese islamic dagger?

kronckew · 13th April 2007, 12:35 PM

thanks, i seem to be getting into another interesting area of collecting here. i'll have to have a good look at the scabbard when it arrives. the photo i have is not the most informative, but i do not see any method of carry, belt loops or ring or any other, so it may have been a later one just to cover the blade for the last owner.

as it's the UK, i like to think that it came from the estate of a british soldier who picked it up from it's original owner who no longer needed it, on the omdurman plains outside khartoum on the 2nd of september 1898....Volley by Ranks...........

katana · 13th April 2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

i like to think that it came from the estate of a british soldier who picked it up from it's original owner who no longer needed it, on the omdurman plains outside khartoum on the 2nd of september 1898....[

You.....and me , both

as (if proved) it would give provenance to my triple set

I do know that the 'triple scabbard' was hung around the neck (with the sheath laying on the chest) or strapped to the top of the arm/ shoulder. If your scabbard is original...perhaps it was just placed under a belt/sash ...Arab style.

kronckew · 16th April 2007, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by katana

... If your scabbard is original...perhaps it was just placed under a belt/sash ...Arab style.

knife arrived today and is soaking in oil to loosen some rust prior to a bit of brass wire-brushing.....

grip is very solid bone, blade fairly thin steel, etching or engraving in arabic appears well done with very smooth lettering edges unlike other etching i've seen, needs a bit of tlc to get rid of some rust. edge is not overly sharp but is not rounded either.

scabbard appears to be a thin wood core covered in a thin brown leather with a neatly sewn seam down one edge. leather continues partway into the scabbard throat and is a bit abraded. the sewing appears to be done in pink thread (maybe faded red?). the scabbard appears to be about a 1/4 in. shy of covering the entire blade. i suspect it's either shrunk or was not original to this dagger. there are no suspension points or signs that there ever were. photos to follow after i tidy it up a bit.

kronckew · 17th April 2007, 02:43 PM

couple of new pictures to go along with last post.

obverse

i note that there is a substantial steel pommel on this which is peened on to (hopefully) the end of the through tang...

13th April 2007, 12:35 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,238	thanks, i seem to be getting into another interesting area of collecting here. i'll have to have a good look at the scabbard when it arrives. the photo i have is not the most informative, but i do not see any method of carry, belt loops or ring or any other, so it may have been a later one just to cover the blade for the last owner. as it's the UK, i like to think that it came from the estate of a british soldier who picked it up from it's original owner who no longer needed it, on the omdurman plains outside khartoum on the 2nd of september 1898....Volley by Ranks...........

17th April 2007, 02:43 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,238	couple of new pictures to go along with last post. obverse i note that there is a substantial steel pommel on this which is peened on to (hopefully) the end of the through tang...