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lelang69 · 2nd April 2007, 04:30 AM

dear Galvano an list

Yes I agree with other list. This is keris sajen but unfortunatly this keris is too nice to be a Real keris sajen . the sajen means (offer). this keris popular as the ceremonial offer in Majapahit era 13th -14th centuries. This kind of keris mostly escavated near Mojokerto, east java

Most of keris sajen has no pamor, gonjo the form is hardly simple.

anyway this is nice keris. isn't it David?

galvano · 2nd April 2007, 07:30 PM

yes david but the scabbard is very very new !!
galvano

David · 3rd April 2007, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lelang69

anyway this is nice keris. isn't it David?

For the moment i will stick with "interesting".

Lelang, i think you will find that the use of the keris sajen as a talismanic object extends past the Mojopahit period as there are examples to be found through every century after to date, Though recent ones like Galvano's are obviously aimed at the collector market this probably wasn't the case with 16th or 17th century examples.
Galvano, i think many people look at keis as an ensemble. You may have noticed that when keris are posted on websites there is often a pic of the keris fully sheathed along with the others. This overall appearence of the sheathed blade is an important part of assessing the keris, so please don't disregard your sheath simply because it is new.

galvano · 3rd April 2007, 06:12 PM

I thank you for your answers.
This forum is fantastic.
All the people of this forum are brilliant.
Always ready to bring its assistance.
Thank you with all.

David · 3rd April 2007, 07:07 PM

Ah, well "brilliant" is a very relative term. Next to a candle one might seem brillant, but in broad daylight...

I offer what i know...and sometimes what i only think i know. We are all learning here and hopefully sharing what we know is what we all do, even if it is not always right.

Your wrongko is really quite nice, i think. Beautiful wood in a Sandang Walikat form. This is a form usually meant for storing, though i believe it is also acceptable in some cases for daily wear and i have seen a few more extravagant example which were no doubt meant for wearing. All my talismanic keris use this sheath form, which i suppose makes sense since they are not made to be worn like regular keris are. If i am not mistaken you will find that this sheath, though appearing simple in form, is probably carved from a single piece a wood, which is no easy feat. Thanks for showing it.

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lelang69 Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 60	dear Galvano an list Yes I agree with other list. This is keris sajen but unfortunatly this keris is too nice to be a Real keris sajen . the sajen means (offer). this keris popular as the ceremonial offer in Majapahit era 13th -14th centuries. This kind of keris mostly escavated near Mojokerto, east java Most of keris sajen has no pamor, gonjo the form is hardly simple. anyway this is nice keris. isn't it David?

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David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Ah, well "brilliant" is a very relative term. Next to a candle one might seem brillant, but in broad daylight... I offer what i know...and sometimes what i only think i know. We are all learning here and hopefully sharing what we know is what we all do, even if it is not always right. Your wrongko is really quite nice, i think. Beautiful wood in a Sandang Walikat form. This is a form usually meant for storing, though i believe it is also acceptable in some cases for daily wear and i have seen a few more extravagant example which were no doubt meant for wearing. All my talismanic keris use this sheath form, which i suppose makes sense since they are not made to be worn like regular keris are. If i am not mistaken you will find that this sheath, though appearing simple in form, is probably carved from a single piece a wood, which is no easy feat. Thanks for showing it.