Tulwar scabbard

Pukka Bundook · 18th March 2007, 04:11 AM

Well chaps,
I find all this very interesting, but don't have much constructive to add

So how do you think I should mount this up?........Conventional, or "Quick-draw!?
I will bow to whichever way you learned Gentlemen think best!

Jim,
You mention "Government hand-guards"
Is that what we have here?
If so, what date roughly?

Do either of you know how the iron furniture was finished originally?
I would not re-finish these mounts, but wondered what they may have looked like when new.

Thank you again for your time and patience!

R.

Jim McDougall · 18th March 2007, 04:40 AM

Hi Richard,
By 'government ' hilts, I am referring to the Afghan swords pictured on the thread that Rick linked in his post March 16th. This tulwar actually is from northern India and has nothing to do with those swords or hilts, however does interestingly seem to have been scabbarded by an Afghan. The tulwar itself seem likely of mid 19th century, possibly into 1870's.

Since there is only the center mount, and it seems to be situated conventionally, I think I would follow suit. Even though this scabbard follows Afghan style, it does not seem unreasonable to assume the mounts were quite possibly in conformity to most other tulwar scabbards. Just my opinion

As for finish, just adhere to that of the existing mounts.

All the best,
Jim

Pukka Bundook · 26th March 2007, 04:10 PM

Well,
This is as far as I've got making the scabbard and top mount.

Attached are pictures;

1, of old mid-fitting on new wood.

2, The new top fitting, "aged"

and then ;

3, New fitting "in the white", plus old centre fitting.

4, new top fitting "in white"

5, old and new fitting in place.

Do you learned chaps think this is OK??

If so, just need to add a leather or fabric cover to the wood, and we'll be done....

Richard.

Jens Nordlunde · 26th March 2007, 05:03 PM

Very well done. I would like to see some pictures when you have the fabric on the scabbard. What kind of wood did you use for the scabbard?
Jens

Pukka Bundook · 26th March 2007, 06:50 PM

Hello Jens.
I do not remember what the wood was, I was given it and was led to understand it was from Australia.
Nice straight grain and rather hard.

Will add a picture when cover is added.
Pleased you like it so far.....

Richard.

josh stout · 26th March 2007, 07:04 PM

On the subject of red over gold, this was also quite popular in Tibet and China. So if the Persians also did it, it seems that it was universal if somewhat rare.

Here is an example of the remains of gold and red paint on some shuang jian.
Josh

http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...duation346.jpg

katana · 26th March 2007, 08:54 PM

Hi Richard,
well done scabbard looks ace

I assume you traced the outline of the blade on two planks of wood, chiselled the 'depressions' to accept the blade, cut the scabbard halves from the plank. Joined the halves (temporary ?) to check blade fitted, once OK . Joined the halves and 'finished' the external surfaces. Any additional info would be appreciated as I have several 'scabbardless' swords I would like to sheath.

As to scabbard 'coverings' if you are going to use a cloth....I think I am right in saying that a cotton/canvas backing should be between the covering material and wood.

26th March 2007, 04:10 PM	#3
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Well, This is as far as I've got making the scabbard and top mount. Attached are pictures; 1, of old mid-fitting on new wood. 2, The new top fitting, "aged" and then ; 3, New fitting "in the white", plus old centre fitting. 4, new top fitting "in white" 5, old and new fitting in place. Do you learned chaps think this is OK?? If so, just need to add a leather or fabric cover to the wood, and we'll be done.... Richard. Attached Images Last edited by Pukka Bundook; 26th March 2007 at 04:22 PM.

18th March 2007, 04:11 AM	#1
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Well chaps, I find all this very interesting, but don't have much constructive to add So how do you think I should mount this up?........Conventional, or "Quick-draw!? I will bow to whichever way you learned Gentlemen think best! Jim, You mention "Government hand-guards" Is that what we have here? If so, what date roughly? Do either of you know how the iron furniture was finished originally? I would not re-finish these mounts, but wondered what they may have looked like when new. Thank you again for your time and patience! R.

18th March 2007, 04:40 AM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,467	Hi Richard, By 'government ' hilts, I am referring to the Afghan swords pictured on the thread that Rick linked in his post March 16th. This tulwar actually is from northern India and has nothing to do with those swords or hilts, however does interestingly seem to have been scabbarded by an Afghan. The tulwar itself seem likely of mid 19th century, possibly into 1870's. Since there is only the center mount, and it seems to be situated conventionally, I think I would follow suit. Even though this scabbard follows Afghan style, it does not seem unreasonable to assume the mounts were quite possibly in conformity to most other tulwar scabbards. Just my opinion As for finish, just adhere to that of the existing mounts. All the best, Jim

26th March 2007, 05:03 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Very well done. I would like to see some pictures when you have the fabric on the scabbard. What kind of wood did you use for the scabbard? Jens

26th March 2007, 06:50 PM	#5
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Hello Jens. I do not remember what the wood was, I was given it and was led to understand it was from Australia. Nice straight grain and rather hard. Will add a picture when cover is added. Pleased you like it so far..... Richard.

26th March 2007, 07:04 PM	#6
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	On the subject of red over gold, this was also quite popular in Tibet and China. So if the Persians also did it, it seems that it was universal if somewhat rare. Here is an example of the remains of gold and red paint on some shuang jian. Josh http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...duation346.jpg

26th March 2007, 08:54 PM	#7
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Richard, well done scabbard looks ace I assume you traced the outline of the blade on two planks of wood, chiselled the 'depressions' to accept the blade, cut the scabbard halves from the plank. Joined the halves (temporary ?) to check blade fitted, once OK . Joined the halves and 'finished' the external surfaces. Any additional info would be appreciated as I have several 'scabbardless' swords I would like to sheath. As to scabbard 'coverings' if you are going to use a cloth....I think I am right in saying that a cotton/canvas backing should be between the covering material and wood.