Origin of this hilt type

Alam Shah · 6th March 2007, 03:46 AM

Marco,
An interesting thought and a good lead ... I'll check it out. Thanks.

Battara,
Yes... It does looks Bugis, thanks.
Any idea which region it was used or originated from?

Imho, the sheath, is a "chieftain" type, but the aesthetics are different.

Alam Shah.

Battara · 7th March 2007, 01:32 AM

Possibly Suluwesi?

Emanuel · 7th March 2007, 02:22 AM

Hello,

In the book Ragam Hulu Keris there is a very similar ukiran on page 75:
"116. Sulawesi Jawa Denam, merupakan bentuk standar di Sulawesi Selatan." It may support the Bugis/Sulawesi thought.

I will scan the page tomorrow and post it.

Regards,
Emanuel

Alam Shah · 7th March 2007, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manolo

Hello,

In the book Ragam Hulu Keris there is a very similar ukiran on page 75:
"116. Sulawesi Jawa Denam, merupakan bentuk standar di Sulawesi Selatan." It may support the Bugis/Sulawesi thought.

I will scan the page tomorrow and post it.

Regards,
Emanuel

Thanks Manolo, you've keen eyes

... There are many similarities between them. Looking at it closely, there are also many differences as well.

Emanuel · 8th March 2007, 03:21 AM

Yup, I do indeed see differences. Some more corroboration on the Sulawesi provenance comes via Frey's book...shows a good number of keris with ukiran very close (though maybe not quite identical

) to yours, labelled as Sulawesi-Bugis. Too bad he doesn't provide names for them...nice pics though.

Emanuel

Oops, I get it

you already know it's Bugis, but need specifics...

Alam Shah · 8th March 2007, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manolo

... Some more corroboration on the Sulawesi provenance comes via Frey's book...shows a good number of keris with ukiran very close (though maybe not quite identical

) to yours, labelled as Sulawesi-Bugis. Too bad he doesn't provide names for them...nice pics though.

Thanks again Manolo for the effort.

The thing is, it's close but none is an exact match, at least in terms of design or aesthetics... hmmm...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manolo

... Oops, I get it

you already know it's Bugis, but need specifics...

Sorry

... I should have mentioned that I know it's probably Bugis, but from where? Sulawesi? Riau-Lingga? Sumatra? Peninsular? or elsewhere...

6th March 2007, 03:46 AM	#1
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Marco, An interesting thought and a good lead ... I'll check it out. Thanks. Battara, Yes... It does looks Bugis, thanks. Any idea which region it was used or originated from? Imho, the sheath, is a "chieftain" type, but the aesthetics are different. Alam Shah.

7th March 2007, 01:32 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,305	Possibly Suluwesi?

7th March 2007, 02:22 AM	#3
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Hello, In the book Ragam Hulu Keris there is a very similar ukiran on page 75: "116. Sulawesi Jawa Denam, merupakan bentuk standar di Sulawesi Selatan." It may support the Bugis/Sulawesi thought. I will scan the page tomorrow and post it. Regards, Emanuel

8th March 2007, 03:21 AM	#5
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Yup, I do indeed see differences. Some more corroboration on the Sulawesi provenance comes via Frey's book...shows a good number of keris with ukiran very close (though maybe not quite identical ) to yours, labelled as Sulawesi-Bugis. Too bad he doesn't provide names for them...nice pics though. Emanuel Oops, I get it you already know it's Bugis, but need specifics...