Help with talismanic inscriptions?

VVV · 26th February 2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ibeam

Hello VVV,
Can you share some other examples of Moro swords from your collection that have talismanic inscriptions on their blades. Maybe there are some that maybe be related and may bring some more discussion.
Since talismanic beliefs tend to be more protective by nature, should these inscription also be seen on other Moro battle attire like Armors, helmets and shields as well??

Hello Jon,

I am travelling this week and will post some more examples when back home again.

Michael

Spunjer · 11th December 2008, 05:33 PM

...reviving an old thread.

michael, it would be very interesting to see more examples from your collection, or anyone else that has moro swords with talismanic symbols for that matter. meanwhile, here's a barung that has talismanic symbols:

kino · 12th December 2008, 01:54 AM

Spunjer, It looks like Zulfiqar, the sword of Ali. Nice Barung, give it to me for Pasko, Pare.

Spunjer · 12th December 2008, 03:25 PM

yup, it is the zulfiqar. actually first barung i have that has talismanic symbol. wanna trade with some of your A-list moro stuff, p're???

here's another one; a kampilan with talismanic symbols (trisula) running 2/3s along the spine followed by discs, and ukkil at the base of the blade on both sides. another interesting aspect is the rayskin wrap on the handle, something i've never seen on any moro weapons.

VVV · 12th December 2008, 04:55 PM

Interesting and unusual blades!

I haven't either seen these motifs on a kampilan or a ray skin at the handle.
That's strange as the sting-ray's tail, as I have been told, was quite common as a weapon all over Philippines?

Michael

Spunjer · 12th December 2008, 05:14 PM

the stingray's tail, or buntot-pagi, are indeed used as a weapon, but it is more towards supernatural application, michael.

another less unusual, but uncommon, is the utilization of horn as croc eyes. btw, michael, do you have any other moro stuff that has talismanic symbols you don't mind sharing?

VVV · 12th December 2008, 05:59 PM

Thanks for the explanation of the stingray whip.
Please develop the relationship between horn and croc's eyes as I didn't get it?
Here is a link to the seller's pictures of one of my bolos with talismanic motifs.

http://www.mytribalworld.com/pagina12.html

My guess is that it's Visayan.
Any other ideas on the origin and/or the meaning of the motifs on the blade?

Michael

11th December 2008, 05:33 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	...reviving an old thread. michael, it would be very interesting to see more examples from your collection, or anyone else that has moro swords with talismanic symbols for that matter. meanwhile, here's a barung that has talismanic symbols:

12th December 2008, 01:54 AM	#3
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,020	Spunjer, It looks like Zulfiqar, the sword of Ali. Nice Barung, give it to me for Pasko, Pare.

12th December 2008, 03:25 PM	#4
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	yup, it is the zulfiqar. actually first barung i have that has talismanic symbol. wanna trade with some of your A-list moro stuff, p're??? here's another one; a kampilan with talismanic symbols (trisula) running 2/3s along the spine followed by discs, and ukkil at the base of the blade on both sides. another interesting aspect is the rayskin wrap on the handle, something i've never seen on any moro weapons.

12th December 2008, 04:55 PM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Interesting and unusual blades! I haven't either seen these motifs on a kampilan or a ray skin at the handle. That's strange as the sting-ray's tail, as I have been told, was quite common as a weapon all over Philippines? Michael

12th December 2008, 05:14 PM	#6
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	the stingray's tail, or buntot-pagi, are indeed used as a weapon, but it is more towards supernatural application, michael. another less unusual, but uncommon, is the utilization of horn as croc eyes. btw, michael, do you have any other moro stuff that has talismanic symbols you don't mind sharing?

12th December 2008, 05:59 PM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks for the explanation of the stingray whip. Please develop the relationship between horn and croc's eyes as I didn't get it? Here is a link to the seller's pictures of one of my bolos with talismanic motifs. http://www.mytribalworld.com/pagina12.html My guess is that it's Visayan. Any other ideas on the origin and/or the meaning of the motifs on the blade? Michael