New book about keris

Alam Shah · 14th February 2007, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

This is an English only discussion group, so if you wish, you can PM me. Thanks.

PM sent.

I'm responding to Marco's earlier request.

All posts are written in English. I guess it's ok to comment/discuss about keris books not written in English, right?

A. G. Maisey · 14th February 2007, 07:50 AM

Thanks Shahrial.

I certainly hope discussion is OK.

I think the Men with the Whips might object to information or discussion in another language, but I hope discussion about something that is in another language would be OK.

Perhaps the moderators could clarify?

David · 14th February 2007, 01:28 PM

Well, my "Whip" is in the shop at the moment

but i see no reason at all why we cannot discussing books written in other languages as long as we keep the discussion in English. I also see no reason why passages cannot be written out in other languages as long as they are completely and accurately translated.

Marcokeris · 14th February 2007, 03:15 PM

Thanks Shahrial.
Next mounth i'ld be in Yogya for a few days. There I'll try to find the book even if my Bahasa's comprehension is very very modest

.....but i like to have all write texts about keris in every languages

simatua · 18th February 2007, 04:08 PM

For the ones that does not have it yet
http://www.topmdi.com/java/doc/EnsiklopediaKeris.pdf

David · 18th February 2007, 04:58 PM

Thanks Simatua, great link!

Marcokeris · 19th February 2007, 08:11 AM

SIMATUA: GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alam Shah · 19th February 2007, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simatua

For the ones that does not have it yet
http://www.topmdi.com/java/doc/EnsiklopediaKeris.pdf

Is this an early draft of the Ensiklopedi Keris?
There are only 86 pages, whilst the Ensiklopedi Keris is a whopping 630 pages.

From the header, it's labelled as "A to Z – Sesuatu mengenai KERIS dan TOMBAK" and from the footer of the document, it's labelled as "KERIS – SENJATA TRADISIONAL INDONESIA. Is there a book by the title of the header or footer?

A. G. Maisey · 19th February 2007, 10:09 PM

Yeah, this struck me too, Shahrial.

I suspect that what we might be looking at is an edited version of one or other of the two editions of Ensiklopedi.

The first edition---Ensiklopedi Budaya Nasional--- does not line up with the page entries, nor does the second edition---Ensiklopedi Keris.

I suspect that whoever prepared this for publication on the web has gone through it and edited out entries that do not refer to keris and tombak. I did a couple of test checks on entries relating to people, and I cannot find entries to correspond with the entries in the hardcopies.Also lots of stuff missing for weapons other than keris and tombak.

In any case, whatever has been done to it, its not a complete version of either of the hardcopies, but that said, it is still a useful reference.

I don't think it is a separate publication, but it might be. Its not listed under the web title in David van Duuren's bibliography, and it could be expected to be so listed if it was published prior to Ensiklopedi Budaya.

Maybe what you suggest about it being an early draft might be the answer.

devriesantiek · 30th April 2007, 09:10 PM

Hello everybody,

I'm a new member. My name is Patrick de Vries from Holland. I have an antique shop specialised in antiques from Indonesia.

{ commercial links edited by Rick}

My quesion is about books: I have many books about keris and other Indonesian weapons, but most are written in bhs Indonesia. I know a bit bhs, but it is very hard to read and understand it.
I know there is a translation of the Budaya Nasional. Does anybode know where I can get it (or borrow a copy?).
Any other good suggestions for book?

Best regards and thanks,

Patrick

Rick · 30th April 2007, 09:37 PM

Hi Patrick, welcome to the Warung .

I edited out your links because they seem to be of a commercial nature.
We all would love to see your private collection; any pieces offered for sale must be posted in the Swap forum.

If you have any questions feel free to ask.
Again,
Welcome.

Rick

18th February 2007, 04:08 PM	#5
simatua Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 69	keris enseclopedia on PDF For the ones that does not have it yet http://www.topmdi.com/java/doc/EnsiklopediaKeris.pdf

30th April 2007, 09:10 PM	#10
devriesantiek Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2	Translation of Budaya Nasional Hello everybody, I'm a new member. My name is Patrick de Vries from Holland. I have an antique shop specialised in antiques from Indonesia. { commercial links edited by Rick} My quesion is about books: I have many books about keris and other Indonesian weapons, but most are written in bhs Indonesia. I know a bit bhs, but it is very hard to read and understand it. I know there is a translation of the Budaya Nasional. Does anybode know where I can get it (or borrow a copy?). Any other good suggestions for book? Best regards and thanks, Patrick

14th February 2007, 07:50 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	Thanks Shahrial. I certainly hope discussion is OK. I think the Men with the Whips might object to information or discussion in another language, but I hope discussion about something that is in another language would be OK. Perhaps the moderators could clarify?

14th February 2007, 01:28 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,228	Well, my "Whip" is in the shop at the moment but i see no reason at all why we cannot discussing books written in other languages as long as we keep the discussion in English. I also see no reason why passages cannot be written out in other languages as long as they are completely and accurately translated.

14th February 2007, 03:15 PM	#4
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Thanks Shahrial. Next mounth i'ld be in Yogya for a few days. There I'll try to find the book even if my Bahasa's comprehension is very very modest .....but i like to have all write texts about keris in every languages

18th February 2007, 04:58 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,228	Thanks Simatua, great link!

19th February 2007, 08:11 AM	#7
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	SIMATUA: GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

19th February 2007, 10:09 PM	#9
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	Yeah, this struck me too, Shahrial. I suspect that what we might be looking at is an edited version of one or other of the two editions of Ensiklopedi. The first edition---Ensiklopedi Budaya Nasional--- does not line up with the page entries, nor does the second edition---Ensiklopedi Keris. I suspect that whoever prepared this for publication on the web has gone through it and edited out entries that do not refer to keris and tombak. I did a couple of test checks on entries relating to people, and I cannot find entries to correspond with the entries in the hardcopies.Also lots of stuff missing for weapons other than keris and tombak. In any case, whatever has been done to it, its not a complete version of either of the hardcopies, but that said, it is still a useful reference. I don't think it is a separate publication, but it might be. Its not listed under the web title in David van Duuren's bibliography, and it could be expected to be so listed if it was published prior to Ensiklopedi Budaya. Maybe what you suggest about it being an early draft might be the answer.

30th April 2007, 09:37 PM	#11
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Hi Patrick, welcome to the Warung . I edited out your links because they seem to be of a commercial nature. We all would love to see your private collection; any pieces offered for sale must be posted in the Swap forum. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Again, Welcome. Rick