Swish of THIS kris?

wilked aka Khun Deng · 6th February 2007, 01:22 PM

Kia,
Unfortunately I haven't had connectivity lately and most of that particular crowd have moved on to the Horn of Africa, where hopefully the spark will continue as I've found nothing better to spark cultural or historical interest than trying to find out "where did my sword come from?".

Until that area stabilizes, which is happening, and a local ethusiast picks up the gauntlet I'm afraid survival and security will take precedence over the more mundane pursuit of historical preservation. My only native contact left there is more concerned about the gadgets he can get for his .45 and his new laptop than about his family kris.

Don't lose hope though because I did witness a pride of culture there that I've rarely seen and there are a few that have the education, foresight and assets to bring a resurgence. It's still mostly an oral history there (anthrpologically speaking), which can get twisted with time, my hope is that some native anthropologist will surprise us all (education outpaces opportunity there) and despite the current situation find the time and the resources to make the Joloanos rightfully proud of their history.

I can only hope I planted a seed in those I had contact with. We did talk to several village elders about the possibilities of resurrecting the old crafts and making them an internet business when we put computers and internet in the schools.

As I reread this I must add my apologies to Bill, my intent was not to highjack your thread.

Respectfully,

Dan

Bill M · 6th February 2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wilked aka Khun Deng

Kia,
Unfortunately I haven't had connectivity lately and most of that particular crowd have moved on to the Horn of Africa, where hopefully the spark will continue as I've found nothing better to spark cultural or historical interest than trying to find out "where did my sword come from?".

Until that area stabilizes, which is happening, and a local ethusiast picks up the gauntlet I'm afraid survival and security will take precedence over the more mundane pursuit of historical preservation. My only native contact left there is more concerned about the gadgets he can get for his .45 and his new laptop than about his family kris.

Don't lose hope though because I did witness a pride of culture there that I've rarely seen and there are a few that have the education, foresight and assets to bring a resurgence. It's still mostly an oral history there (anthrpologically speaking), which can get twisted with time, my hope is that some native anthropologist will surprise us all (education outpaces opportunity there) and despite the current situation find the time and the resources to make the Joloanos rightfully proud of their history.

I can only hope I planted a seed in those I had contact with. We did talk to several village elders about the possibilities of resurrecting the old crafts and making them an internet business when we put computers and internet in the schools.

As I reread this I must add my apologies to Bill, my intent was not to highjack your thread.

Respectfully,

Dan

No problem Dan,

I appreciate your posts bringing us new info from this part of the world.

Still looking for more info on the "Swish" article. Does anyone have any contact with "Bakbakan International" who put this interesting book online?

I have emailed them over the weekend, but not recieved an answer.

I also emailed the guy I got this from, but he has not responded either.

Will let you know what I find out.

Battara · 6th February 2007, 08:56 PM

It could be the one in Cato's book which I thought you have. If not, I would not be surprised that it was "borrowed" from your picture on this forum.

I have had my Sulu silver hilted kris in my first scabbard made with silver mounts "borrowed" (without permission) onto a book on the Maguindanao printed in the PI.

Bill M · 6th February 2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

It could be the one in Cato's book which I thought you have. If not, I would not be surprised that it was "borrowed" from your picture on this forum.

I have had my Sulu silver hilted kris in my first scabbard made with silver mounts "borrowed" (without permission) onto a book on the Maguindanao printed in the PI.

Mine is the one from Cato's book. The date on the online publication is 1997-1998. So if it is mine they used it before I bought it. Would still like confirmation from the publisher if it is mine. I think it is.

They are certainly welcome to use it anyhow.

Speaking of borrowed, I got this Bali keris from Erik Farrow when I first started collecting about 5 years ago. (Left panel)

http://www.eriksedge.com/weaponsofindonesia.html

Erik emailed me a few years later to say that it was for sale on eBay! It was! The same picture from Erik's site!!!! I emailed eBay and told them about this fraud. Ebay pulled the ad.

Rick · 6th February 2007, 10:14 PM

That kris in the logo has been there for over 7 years .

Battara · 9th February 2007, 05:37 PM

This shocks me............not.

6th February 2007, 10:14 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	More Info That kris in the logo has been there for over 7 years .

6th February 2007, 01:22 PM	#1
wilked aka Khun Deng Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 166	Kia, Unfortunately I haven't had connectivity lately and most of that particular crowd have moved on to the Horn of Africa, where hopefully the spark will continue as I've found nothing better to spark cultural or historical interest than trying to find out "where did my sword come from?". Until that area stabilizes, which is happening, and a local ethusiast picks up the gauntlet I'm afraid survival and security will take precedence over the more mundane pursuit of historical preservation. My only native contact left there is more concerned about the gadgets he can get for his .45 and his new laptop than about his family kris. Don't lose hope though because I did witness a pride of culture there that I've rarely seen and there are a few that have the education, foresight and assets to bring a resurgence. It's still mostly an oral history there (anthrpologically speaking), which can get twisted with time, my hope is that some native anthropologist will surprise us all (education outpaces opportunity there) and despite the current situation find the time and the resources to make the Joloanos rightfully proud of their history. I can only hope I planted a seed in those I had contact with. We did talk to several village elders about the possibilities of resurrecting the old crafts and making them an internet business when we put computers and internet in the schools. As I reread this I must add my apologies to Bill, my intent was not to highjack your thread. Respectfully, Dan

6th February 2007, 08:56 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	It could be the one in Cato's book which I thought you have. If not, I would not be surprised that it was "borrowed" from your picture on this forum. I have had my Sulu silver hilted kris in my first scabbard made with silver mounts "borrowed" (without permission) onto a book on the Maguindanao printed in the PI.

9th February 2007, 05:37 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	This shocks me............not.