Museum Nusantara

rasdan · 3rd February 2007, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Some stories i believe are merely legend, other's rooted more in fact. If indeed there are or were keris capable of lifting a bulldozer for instance one would have to wonder just how the Dutch managed to actually take control of the area with mere guns and cannons.

Bulldozers story is true. But very rare and theres something about these creatures that it wont help you when you are dying like when a foreigner points a canon at you

. Their objective is only to make trouble. Their service is just a disguise. When u got trouble and dies or gets the country colonised (anything bad) the objective is achieved. Thats why im not interested in them. Im not trying to get your attention nechesh,

i know u want to know.

Rick · 3rd February 2007, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rasdan

Im not trying to get your attention nechesh,

i know u wnat to know and .... hehehe

Sounds to me like you are and you're razzing him about it .

rasdan · 3rd February 2007, 03:07 AM

Opps sorry rick. I edited the comment earlier and i didnt realise i didnt delete the word "and". Probably makes my comments sounds razzing. Sorry.. Deleted already.

Rick · 3rd February 2007, 02:08 PM

Thanks Rasdan .

Best,
Rick

rasdan · 3rd February 2007, 04:03 PM

You're welcome Rick..

Dajak · 3rd February 2007, 08:30 PM

Hi David you might be better reading some books about the subject
there is more than only Islam or Christian things hard to understand if you never get in to it that why I don t write a lot about what happend to me and others.

If you use magic for good things it is white magic if you use it for bad things black magic.

Even in the Islam there is something like the devil

Ben

rasdan · 4th February 2007, 03:56 AM

Hi David,

Not all, but almost all will try divert your your faith and relationship with God away. For example, muslims normally reads a few passages or sentances from the Quran for the sake of God. Now, after the person had made aggreement with the entities, they will ask the owner to recite a few sentances; for instance when the owner is in trouble. This is actually will make your heart split into 2. One is to recite for god and the other is to recite for them. They want to share God's place in your heart. To a muslim this is a serious offence. On the other hand, they will also ask for ridiculous stuff when you ask for extra service/power. They will even ask for your wife. A long lost friend of mine had given his. Of course not all will ask for Quran recitation some will ask for mantras etc. Depending on your and their religion.

There are also normal entities that didnt cause trouble. But these are weak and almost of no use. They'll run away the moment they see the other guy you are fighting had a stronger one.

The nice/white ones David are rare and are normally use for charms and business purposes. But still, this type will also try to divert your faith. You must study the impact of their demands very very skillfully. They are really cunning.

David · 4th February 2007, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi David you might be better reading some books about the subject
there is more than only Islam or Christian things hard to understand if you never get in to it that why I don t write a lot about what happend to me and others.
If you use magic for good things it is white magic if you use it for bad things black magic.
Even in the Islam there is something like the devil
Ben

hmmm, interesting assumption Ben, that i haven't read any books on the subject...are there any English language books you might recommend?

I am well aware that there is more than only Islamic or Christian (or even Hindu) things and would be quite capable of understanding what may have happened to you or others if you were to share that information. The personal experience of you and others on this forum is something i am not likely to find in any books which is partly why i am raising these questions, to hear and try to understand what people here think.
I also tend to see the differences between white and black magick as a bit more complicated than you describe.

So Rasdan, if i understand you correctly you don't believe that the traditions of the keris are in keeping with service to God? Where do you believe the entities within "living" keris come from? Who do they "work" for?

David · 3rd February 2007, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rasdan

Their objective is only to make trouble. Their service is just a disguise.

Sorry Rasdan, but i am afraid that many people might make serious objection to these comments. Are you really saying that what lies at the spiritual heart of the keris, the power and entity that is embued into it by the empu at the time of forging, the life of the blade, is only there to make trouble?

3rd February 2007, 03:07 AM	#3
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	Opps sorry rick. I edited the comment earlier and i didnt realise i didnt delete the word "and". Probably makes my comments sounds razzing. Sorry.. Deleted already.

3rd February 2007, 02:08 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Thanks Rasdan . Best, Rick

3rd February 2007, 04:03 PM	#5
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	You're welcome Rick..

3rd February 2007, 08:30 PM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi David you might be better reading some books about the subject there is more than only Islam or Christian things hard to understand if you never get in to it that why I don t write a lot about what happend to me and others. If you use magic for good things it is white magic if you use it for bad things black magic. Even in the Islam there is something like the devil Ben

4th February 2007, 03:56 AM	#7
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	Hi David, Not all, but almost all will try divert your your faith and relationship with God away. For example, muslims normally reads a few passages or sentances from the Quran for the sake of God. Now, after the person had made aggreement with the entities, they will ask the owner to recite a few sentances; for instance when the owner is in trouble. This is actually will make your heart split into 2. One is to recite for god and the other is to recite for them. They want to share God's place in your heart. To a muslim this is a serious offence. On the other hand, they will also ask for ridiculous stuff when you ask for extra service/power. They will even ask for your wife. A long lost friend of mine had given his. Of course not all will ask for Quran recitation some will ask for mantras etc. Depending on your and their religion. There are also normal entities that didnt cause trouble. But these are weak and almost of no use. They'll run away the moment they see the other guy you are fighting had a stronger one. The nice/white ones David are rare and are normally use for charms and business purposes. But still, this type will also try to divert your faith. You must study the impact of their demands very very skillfully. They are really cunning.